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Blade Runner 2049 (2017)

 
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ralfy
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:46 am    Post subject: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) Reply with quote

"Roger Deakins Will Shoot Blade Runner Sequel"

https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/roger-deakins-will-shoot-blade-runner-sequel-119875626869.html

"Blade Runner 2: another new piece of concept art arrives"

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/blade-runner/42245/blade-runner-2-another-new-piece-of-concept-art-arrives
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I gained more respect for Blade Runner in recent years because I realized how much depth it has after deciding I agreed with Ridley Scott that Deckard was a replicant but didn't know it. It was such a sharp bit of logic, and it elevated the story.

But this new movie might not appeal to me quite as much, if this quote from the article (see link above) means what it seems to mean.
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The director found solace in Hampton Fancher, the screenwriter who wrote the original movie and is also co-writing the new one.

"He told me that Blade Runner was a dream," Villeneuve said. "We just have to dream again and not worry too much about logic. That removed so much pressure and gave me the key to move forward."

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Jared Leto Joins 'Blade Runner' Sequel"

https://variety.com/2016/film/news/jared-leto-blade-runner-sequel-1201840363/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, but sequels to classics don't often work out so well.

Scarlett, the TV movie wasn't close to GWTW in any respect.
Imagine "The Further Adventures of Rick" as a sequel to Casablanca. David Soule could star in it.

Seriously, unless Harrison Ford and the original production people are involved in a compelling story, it's doomed.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




[size=18]Hmmm . . . should I post a trailer to bump this thread to the top of the list?

Well, okay . . . but just this once! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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* * * * * * * * SPOILER ALERT! * * * * * * * *

I watched this movie for the second time today and read various plot summaries and articles that explained the plot, because I was pretty confused after watching it in the theater when it first came out.

The complex plot suggests several interesting questions (as all good complex plots should), so I thought I'd share the questions with you guys. I don't mean to suggest that any of these are plot holes.

Question 1# : Niander Wallace (the successor to Dr. Eldon Tyrell) said he wants to find out how to create replicants that can reproduce, the way Rachael did. He says he can make Replicants faster that way.

Seriously? Does that mean a full-grown replicant takes longer than eighteen years to create — the length of time it takes for a baby to reach eighteen and becoming fully matured? Hmmm . . . Confused

Question 2#: It seems to be generally agreed that the movie doesn't state whether or not Deckard is a replicant. But we do know that Rachael was a replicant and that she gave birth to a baby who was fathered by Dekard.

Therefore, if Dekard is a replicant, then he must produce viable sperm to be capable of impregnating Rachael. Why does the movie never discusses the fact that Dekard was also a special replicant capable of reproduction?

Question 3#: Or was he special? Could all male replicants produce viable sperm? If so, could they impregnate human women who'd then give birth to human/replicant hybrids? Would these half-breeds have some / all / none of a replicant's abilities?

Question 4# On the other hand, if Dekard is not a replicant, then his daughter, Dr. Ana Stelline, is a human/hybrid herself. If that's true, then the only difference between Ana and other children born to human women with replicant fathers (if there are any) would be the genders of each parent. One is human and the other is a replicant. Either way, the offspring is a hybrid.

I realize that the question of Dekards true nature was deliberately left open by this movie, but I still think it makes the most sense (story wise) for Dr. Tyrell to have created special male and female replicants who were capable of producing a child. It's the only interpretation that eliminates all those questions I posed above about human/replicant hybrids.

That, to me, is very strong evidence that Dekard is indeed a replicant.
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On an unrelated note, I don't think they did a perfect job of making Sean Young's look-alike resemble Rachael from the original film. Here's the real Sean Young.






And here's the computer-enhanced look-alike from the sequel.





Both her mouth and her eyes looked sad during the whole scene, so this screen shot is not just a momentary show of emotion. But still, I guess it was intentional for the Rachael-clone to look sad.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sean Young was a crazy outa her mind nutzo babe! And she was a girl from my own heart!

No matter what they could have done it couldn't come close to what we could have imagined as a real sequel.

I found this film boring and slow paced to the extent that it completely lost my interest just moments into it!

Some classics just shouldn't be screwed around with.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Brother Gord, you summed up my feelings exactly!

Not only did the story suck like a brand new Hoover, it made no attempt to present the stylish visual magnificence of the original! Rolling Eyes

Even though the story line acknowledged the concept that replicants could reproduce, it didn't state whether or not Deckard was one, even though Ridley Scott has stated that Deckard actually was.

Furthermore they killed off Rachel for no good reason.

My idea for a sequel states that the replicants would establish colonies (perhaps on another planet) and attempt to be better "human beings" than the real humans — because we certainly don't see the good side of humanity through the characters in the original! Confused

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a movie I wanted to like.

The original is one of my favorite movies of all time.

1st. It is not even close to the original in quality. It tries too hard.

Kind of like 2010 to 2001. Big budget, grand plans, and, well nope.

Ryan Gosling is just a train wreck and in WAY over his head.

Jared Leto is wrong for the part, had David Bowie lived long enough to be in the role I imagine it would have been better.
Supposedly the role of Wallace was written for him.

The rest of the cast is acceptable.

A lot of money and ego went into this movie. Not much to show for it.

It's not that it's bad, It's just that it's kind of pointless.

It was too loud and I really missed Vangelis.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sir, you are preaching to the choir. Your summation of the reasons some of us disliked this movie are bang on target.

I have nothing to add except to say that we completely agree with each other. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add my 2 cents, in my view Deckard is human.

To have him a replicant would violate some aspects of the
films society setting. It is also unnecessary to the story.

In the book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" Deckard is definitely human, a human who grows with the story. While Bladerunner is loosely based on the book, it is based on the book. Changing that aspect would be a major change.
We also see Deckard's personal growth throughout the film, the way he views replicants subtly changes. You can see it in his slight sadness killing Pris, and somewhat with Roy.

Anyway, this works for me.
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