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Forbidden Planet (1956)
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Gord Green
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read them all, Thanks for the link!

The first article really made me think about just how much "free will " and real emotionality Robby really had.

Morbius said "Don't apply any emotions to him, he's simply an automaton." (To paraphrase.) Yet, there seemed to be an underlying level of "personality" and feelings to him. This article outlines it very well.

The experience with the cook and the booze really showed quite a bit about the "real" Robby. There was more going on than what showed on the surface.

He detected the "planetary force" and knew it was Morbius's subconscious (from his reaction when Morbius ordered him to kill it and deactivated himself.) and told the cook that it was not "coming this way.".

Perhaps it could be argued that Robby's knowledge was located in his subconscious.....or perhaps a subroutine in his programed memory.

In any regard, Robby knew that the deadly planetary force was connected to Morbius yet he never let on or told anyone.

Maybe he showed favoritism toward the cook (He did act in a friendly manner....Maybe Robby was lonely!) when he kept him away from the ship while the ID was on the prowl.

FORBIDDEN PLANET never fails to bring up more and more areas of discussion. It may not have been Cyril Humes intent…..He just wanted to write a story that would sell!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this article: https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/forbidden-planet/253565/forbidden-planet-is-still-essential-and-subversive-sci-fi

Forbidden Planet is Still Essential and Subversive Sci-Fi

Forbidden Planet is still dazzling and subversive, and an influence on most major space opera science fiction.

Interesting! To continue our conversation I Submit these stills.

The CFQ double issue showing the plastic educator:



In color:



The 'flash board':



The 'flash board' in color:



(I took the Educator shot off our TV screen from the Criterion Laser Disk version in full 2.55:1 ratio!)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Lord! All these years I've seen,,,but not "seen" that flash board!
The designations on it remind me of those on the "lock" pylon!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Read the Cinefantastique article I posted and find out how that prop was supposed to work . . . but didn't. Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The door lock was easy to solve: it is a math puzzle. I figured it out, so did Butch and Pye-Rate. Can YOU?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sure! Very Happy

Tell me what combination you came up with, and I'll tell you if it's the same answer I got!

Oh, wait a minute. The lock has no numbers! How can we express the combinations we each came up with? And there's only three colors. 2 red, 2 yellow, 3 white, and 1white with a yellow triangle inside.

Does the dial only have 8 "numbers" Confused



I watched the scene shown below tonight and noticed that Morbius tilts the four-pronged spinner upward four times as he turns it, and a small light appears at a point between the twelve o'clock and one o'clock positions each time he does (as indicated by the green arrow.



The end of one of the four prongs lights up (as seen above), but only AFTER he's tilted the dial upward, and twice it lights up while the dial is being rotated!

I'm sure the lock could have a combination that uses all these various mechanical features . . . but frankly I think Walter Pigeon was just twiddling the dial at random. Laughing

However, please tell us what you, Butch, and Pye-rate came up with.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the shapes he points to. It's a geometry puzzle!

Original Enctclopedia Brittanica™ article:

Forbidden Planet
film by Wilcox [1956]
Written By:

Lee Pfeiffer

Forbidden Planet, American science- fiction film, released in 1956, that was noted for its groundbreaking and Academy Award-nominated special effects, all-electronic musical score, intelligent script, and robot “Robby.”

Astronauts in the 23rd century are sent to the distant planet Altair IV to find out why a previous expedition has disappeared. Once there, they find the reclusive professor Morbius (played by Walter Pidgeon) living with his beautiful daughter, Altaira (Anne Francis), and an amazing robot named Robby, who has a distinct personality and human traits. Morbius tells the astronauts that some unknown force killed the other settlers and shows them the vast underground city of the Krell, the long-dead natives of Altair IV. An invisible monster starts killing the astronauts, who discover that the monster is a projection of Morbius’s subconscious unleashed by his experiments with the mind-expanding machinery of the Krell.
The characters, plot, and settings were inspired by William Shakespeare’s The Tempest. Pioneers of electronic music Louis and Bebe Barron composed the first such score for a feature film. (Because of a dispute with the Musician’s Union, the Barrons were credited simply with “electronic tonalities.”) Designer Robert Kinoshita, who built Robby, also created the robot on the 1960s television series Lost In Space.

Production notes and credits

Studio: Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
Director: Fred M. Wilcox
Producer: Nicholas Nayfack
Writer: Cyril Hume
Music: Louis Barron and Bebe Barron
Running time: 98 minutes

Cast

Walter Pidgeon (Dr. Morbius)
Anne Francis (Altaira)
Leslie Nielsen (John J. Adams)
Warren Stevens (“Doc” Ostrow)
Jack Kelly (Jerry Farman)

Academy Award nomination

Special effects
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eadie wrote:
Look at the shapes he points to. It's a geometry puzzle!

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. I need a little more help.

Exactly how is the rotation of the spinner a "geometry puzzle"? I realize, of course that the base behind the spinner has two circles, one square, one rectangle, and four triangles, one of which is a yellow triangle IN a white triangle.

But the prong that Morbius "points" with (when he tilts it inward four different times) doesn't actually point at any of the shapes. It points to a spot a bit to the right of the triangle at the 12 o'clock position after each spin, and a little light blinks at that same point each time.






As for the prong that lights up, Morbius never tilts that prong inward, and the prong sometimes lights up while the spinner is in motion, which means it isn't pointing at any of the shapes.

Eadie, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm missing when you suggested that I should look at what shapes Morbius points to. As usual, you've certainly got me thinking hard on a subject you presented for our consideration. Very Happy

I claimed earlier that the face of the dial had no numbers, but that was kind of dumb. Naturally it doesn't have Arabic numerals (Duh, Bud! Rolling Eyes), but what if each shape represents a number, according to the number of sides it has.

Circle = 1
Triangle = 3
Square = 4
Triangle-in-triangle = 6 (or 3 squared = 9)
Rectangle = 4 squared, maybe? (16)

However, we obviously can't make the Krell lock function like a standard combination lock, because if the number-of-sides on each shape equals a numeral, we've got two 1's and three 3's!

So . . . that's where my theory seems to fall apart. Oh well . . .
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Here's two interesting questions I found on the TCM Forbidden Planet page which displays comments submitted by viewers.

Why did Adams spin the lock after they were inside the lab during the climax?

He's right! Spinning a combination lock does nothing at all. And yet Morbius said —

"Why did you jumble that combination?"

"Because," Adams said, "whatever you know in here, your twin self out in the tunnel knows, too!"

I have no idea why Adams spun the dial. Theories, anyone? Confused

Another question posed by a TCM viewer was this:

After Morbius dies, how did John and Atlaira get out of the lab?

Even if they'd had the combination, the Id monster made the door white hot, so the four separate sections of the partially melted door would be fused together, preventing it from opening.










The TCM viewer suggested that the hole the Id monster created was big enough for Adams and Altair to pass through, but it would remain too hot to touch for several hours.

However, Morbius said the Krell metal "soaks up energy like a sponge", so after the Krell machine stopped pumping energy into the door it would have cool rapidly, allowing the couple to safely pass through.

And THAT, I assume, is how they go out. Very Happy




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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your assumption is correct, Bud. The Krell metal would have cooled rather quickly.

Also, re: the combination.
It would appear that the Krell used a base 8 in their math and the lock face was like a "clock" dial reflecting this.



The "combination" would have been, like in terrestrial ones, a combination of turns, direction of turns, and "number" .

Personaly, I think Walter just turned the dial at random for the filming. To try to read into it that he used a pre determined combination is reading too much into it. He acted it for the dramatic effect.

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Well, heck, I don't know what the combination on Morbius' lock was, but the replica of it I have on the sidewalk that opens the door of my townhome here in Charlotte uses this combination.

Right to C

Left to 5

Right to 7

and left to D

Confidentially it's the same as the license plate on my replica of Robby's car . . . (which, now that I think of it, is probably not a good idea.) Rolling Eyes






And folks, if you think I'm kidding about this — I'm NOT!

Yes, that really IS my house!

Damn, do you think I'm stupid enough to park my Robby Car in front of somebody ELSE'S house!
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