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Forbidden Planet (1956)
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Krel
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Krell weren't stupid, they were complacent and naive. After centuries of shinning sanity and peace, who wouldn't be. After such a period of time, they couldn't conceive otherwise. Why would they think, how could they concieve that they would be subject to the insanity's of the past after so long a period without them.

I have always thought that the labs were spread out through the machine. I also think that there were other points of entry into the machine for maintenance and resupply, a leftover from the construction. Although if the machine could make anything, then it probably had the ability to materialize it's own replacement parts.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you both make good points.

One possibility could be that Morbius himself....with Robby's assistance of course, installed the reactor control while examining the workings of the lab for some reason. How else would have been so knowledgeable about its' workings.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maurice wrote:
To my thinking "mistake" ≠ "stupidity". Programmers and engineers build all kind of failsafes into their creations but are often undone by the one they didn't think about.

That's a good point. My statement that the Krell installed "no safeguards at all on the machine's abilities" was an oversimplification.

Note to Krel and Gord: Gentlemen, neither of you made a single statement I don't agree with completely, and you both proposed several new and intriguing ideas! Cool


Krel wrote:
. . . if the machine could make anything, then it probably had the ability to materialize its own replacement parts.

I'm jealous, dammit, because I wish I'd thought of that! Shocked

Morbius tells the two officers that the machine "has been waiting patiently here, tuning and lubricating itself, replacing worn parts. I have reason to believe that sixteen years ago it performed a minor alteration throughout the entire 8,000 cubic miles of its own fabric."

Silly me, I've always imagined maintenance robots moving around within the machine, doing all that work Morbius described.

But you're right, of course! If the machine can "project solid matter to any point on the planet", it can also create its own replacement parts and beam them right into place.

By the way, I watched Transformers: Age of Extinction a few days ago, and I was impressed by the way the concept of the robot's "transformation" was presented in that movie. The human-created versions of the Transformers were composed of nanobots which rearranged themselves into the various forms the robots took.

It occurred to me that the Krell machine might have used that same concept, with the added advantage that the machine could "instantaneously project solid matter to any point on the planet".

The machine could transport a swarm of nanobots to the desired location, and there they would form themselves into the correct configuration for whatever object a Krell individual had "wished" for.

So, creating replacement parts and making "alterations throughout its entire fabric" could be done the same way.


Gord Green wrote:
One possibility could be that Morbius himself....with Robby's assistance of course, installed the reactor control while examining the workings of the lab for some reason. How else would he have been so knowledgeable about its workings.

Well, hell, I should have thought of that one myself, too! Sad

It seems obvious now that the Krell didn't stick that self-destruct switch under the floor in the lab!

Morbius did it! (Like . . . "Duh, Bud!" Rolling Eyes)

And why would Morbius do such a thing? Hell, that's equally obvious! He stated that the human race was "unfit, as yet, to receive such knowledge, such almost limitless power!"

It should come as no surprise to anyone that he would be willing to destroy the planet if it became obvious that the Krell technology was in danger of falling into the hands of unscrupulous people who would misuse it and pose a threat to the entire Federation.

And so, the methodical and dedicated Dr. Edward Morbius planned ahead by placing a Doomsday Device in the lab — hoping desperately, of course, that he'd never have to use it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first saw FP when I was a little sprout I thought when Morbius introduced Robby as something he "tinkered together" I imagined him working in a Krellian version of PS22's shop class dressed in his shop apron bending sheet metal and fiddling around with vacuum tubes (Valves to you Brits!) and old radio parts.

I didn't catch the hint.....OF COURSE he used 3D printers and matter replicators! He even installed a mini-replicator in Robby's tummy good for running off gallons of good ol' Rocket Bourbon!

Alterations were done by the Krellian Von Neuman machine and probably by Morbius as well! That control on the floor was not just to blow up the planet but to regulate the power output by the furnace. Your gas petal doesn't take your car to 200 mph....Only if you press it all the way down! Morbius may have been eccentric...BUT he wasn't crazy!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just a reminder that 15 of All Sci-Fi member Bob Tarmac's brilliant musical creations in the tradition of Louis and Bebe Baron's Forbidden Planet are available at the link below!



I spoke with Bob on the phone tonight for over an hour, and he hopes he'll find time to return to All Sci-Fi in the near future.

Bob is responsible for redesigning our original hand-drawn logo and turning it into the fabulous version we've enjoyed for years, not to mention the one we've used on our All Sci-Fi TV shirts!

And yes, Bob owns one himself. Cool



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Bob says he has many other compositions he could add to his SoundCloud website, and I hope our members will join me in encouraging him to do so!

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