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Forbidden Planet (1956)
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Gord Green
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you both make good points.

One possibility could be that Morbius himself....with Robby's assistance of course, installed the reactor control while examining the workings of the lab for some reason. How else would have been so knowledgeable about its' workings.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maurice wrote:
To my thinking "mistake" ≠ "stupidity". Programmers and engineers build all kind of failsafes into their creations but are often undone by the one they didn't think about.

That's a good point. My statement that the Krell installed "no safeguards at all on the machine's abilities" was an oversimplification.

Note to Krel and Gord: Gentlemen, neither of you made a single statement I don't agree with completely, and you both proposed several new and intriguing ideas! Cool


Krel wrote:
. . . if the machine could make anything, then it probably had the ability to materialize its own replacement parts.

I'm jealous, dammit, because I wish I'd thought of that! Shocked

Morbius tells the two officers that the machine "has been waiting patiently here, tuning and lubricating itself, replacing worn parts. I have reason to believe that sixteen years ago it performed a minor alteration throughout the entire 8,000 cubic miles of its own fabric."

Silly me, I've always imagined maintenance robots moving around within the machine, doing all that work Morbius described.

But you're right, of course! If the machine can "project solid matter to any point on the planet", it can also create its own replacement parts and beam them right into place.

By the way, I watched Transformers: Age of Extinction a few days ago, and I was impressed by the way the concept of the robot's "transformation" was presented in that movie. The human-created versions of the Transformers were composed of nanobots which rearranged themselves into the various forms the robots took.

It occurred to me that the Krell machine might have used that same concept, with the added advantage that the machine could "instantaneously project solid matter to any point on the planet".

The machine could transport a swarm of nanobots to the desired location, and there they would form themselves into the correct configuration for whatever object a Krell individual had "wished" for.

So, creating replacement parts and making "alterations throughout its entire fabric" could be done the same way.


Gord Green wrote:
One possibility could be that Morbius himself....with Robby's assistance of course, installed the reactor control while examining the workings of the lab for some reason. How else would he have been so knowledgeable about its workings.

Well, hell, I should have thought of that one myself, too! Sad

It seems obvious now that the Krell didn't stick that self-destruct switch under the floor in the lab!

Morbius did it! (Like . . . "Duh, Bud!" Rolling Eyes)

And why would Morbius do such a thing? Hell, that's equally obvious! He stated that the human race was "unfit, as yet, to receive such knowledge, such almost limitless power!"

It should come as no surprise to anyone that he would be willing to destroy the planet if it became obvious that the Krell technology was in danger of falling into the hands of unscrupulous people who would misuse it and pose a threat to the entire Federation.

And so, the methodical and dedicated Dr. Edward Morbius planned ahead by placing a Doomsday Device in the lab — hoping desperately, of course, that he'd never have to use it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first saw FP when I was a little sprout I thought when Morbius introduced Robby as something he "tinkered together" I imagined him working in a Krellian version of PS22's shop class dressed in his shop apron bending sheet metal and fiddling around with vacuum tubes (Valves to you Brits!) and old radio parts.

I didn't catch the hint.....OF COURSE he used 3D printers and matter replicators! He even installed a mini-replicator in Robby's tummy good for running off gallons of good ol' Rocket Bourbon!

Alterations were done by the Krellian Von Neuman machine and probably by Morbius as well! That control on the floor was not just to blow up the planet but to regulate the power output by the furnace. Your gas petal doesn't take your car to 200 mph....Only if you press it all the way down! Morbius may have been eccentric...BUT he wasn't crazy!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just a reminder that 15 of All Sci-Fi member Bob Tarmac's brilliant musical creations in the tradition of Louis and Bebe Baron's Forbidden Planet are available at the link below!



I spoke with Bob on the phone tonight for over an hour, and he hopes he'll find time to return to All Sci-Fi in the near future.

Bob is responsible for redesigning our original hand-drawn logo and turning it into the fabulous version we've enjoyed for years, not to mention the one we've used on our All Sci-Fi TV shirts!

And yes, Bob owns one himself. Cool



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Bob says he has many other compositions he could add to his SoundCloud website, and I hope our members will join me in encouraging him to do so!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you don't own the CD of the Forbidden Planet soundtrack (and shame on you if that's true! Shocked) here's the opening credits and a link to a YouTube site that offers all the tracks (but in the wrong damn order for some dumb reason.)


__Louis & Bebe Barron - Forbidden Planet : Main Titles

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__ Forbidden Planet Original Motion Picture Soundtrack


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pow wrote:
I always found it intriguing that both Forbidden Planet & Disney's Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea had 2 similar scenes which I enjoyed.

On FP we have Mobius show the crew of the star ship the energy source of the Krell by looking at a mirror image of it on a monitor.

In TTLUTS we have Nemo show Ned & company the energy source of the Nautilus by wearing protective helmets.

Both scenes are a bit odd, science wise.

In Forbidden Planet, that can't really be a mirror the men are looking into to protect them in some way, because (1) a mirror would be just as bright as the source, and (2) going by the angle we see, the "mirror" should be showing a refection of the men standing in front of it, NOT the display of the reactor, which is at a 90° angle to the alleged mirror! Shocked

And since the Krell furnaces are "buried deep in the heart of the planet", what ARE we seeing on the display on the left? If it IS just a display, why would it be so bright no one can look directly at it. Confused

As for 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, I'm not sure I'd feel safe in a room being bathed in radioactivity just because I was holding a big steel "shield" in front of me with a darkened glass visor to peer through.

Even if the shield is lead instead of steel, the glass visor would still let radiation through, and the shield itself would become highly radioactive after being exposed to the reactor enough times!

For that matter, so would the whole room, and that would eventually kill all the men who worked in it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pressbook (1956) in CBZ format:

https://www.zomboscloset.com/zombos_closet_of_horror_b/2019/10/forbidden-planet-pressbook.html
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great source Ralfy!
Lot's of good info and images!
Thank you!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ralfy wrote:
Pressbook (1956) in CBZ format:

https://www.zomboscloset.com/zombos_closet_of_horror_b/2019/10/forbidden-planet-pressbook.html

Word to the wise, if you can't open the .CBZ change the extension to .ZIP.

Cool stuff. Just wish it were higher rez.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: forbidden planet Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
Just as a introduction of sorts.... I first saw Forbidden Planet from the back seat of my Dad's old Belaire at the drive in double billed with South Pacific back in "56. The movie completely blew my little mind at the time! I remember making a Krell lab model using parts of my Marx Space Patrol playset and repainting my Lindburg UFO model to look like the C-57-D.

Wow! I reread your post on page 23 of the Forbidden Planet thread and was impressed by your opening anecdote.

The fact that your first viewing of the movie inspired you to do the creative things you described is simply fantastic! Did you have any reference photos from Forbidden Planet or did you do it all from memory?

Here's two images of the Marx Space Patrol playset, of which I think there were several versions.





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Gord Green wrote:
This is an article purportedly written by Warren Stevens ( Doc Ostrow ).

Warren Stevens on Forbidden Planet (1956)

(from the Encyclopedia of Science Fiction by John Clute and Peter Nicholls)

Hot damn, Gord, that article on page 25 of this thread is freakin' awesome. I really hope it WAS written by Warren Stevens — but whoever wrote it did a magnificent job of both summarizing the movie's plot and analyzing the story's message.

While reading it I came to the conclusion that you might have actually transcribed the article from a copy of the Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, since you didn't include a link to an online copy of article, and since I couldn't find one after a diligent search.

If so, I can't thank you enough for doing that and sharing that beautifully written essay with the members of All Sci-Fi. The author (hopefully Mr. Stevens) demonstrated that he completely understood and appreciated Forbidden Planet, and his comments where a joy to read.

I'll confess I was hoping for a comment which stated that Morbius' subconscious thoughts did indeed cause the machine to create Altaira's pets to make her life on Altair 4 both happy and contented, but that subject wasn't mentioned in the article.

Oh well, I'll just have to keep hoping that my own verbose lectures on that subject have convinced everybody I'm right about that. Very Happy

Anyway, I'd just like to express my appreciation for the fact that you added that article to All Sci-Fi, and I'm sure all our members share my sentiments.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud asked:

"Did you have any reference photos from Forbidden Planet or did you do it all from memory? "


There was nothing available (at least to me) in those days as far as reference material, so I did it from memory.

I remember using strips of cardboard to make the walls of the lab and digging a little trench in the yard to make the lab and corridor, (I had done the same thing to make an Egyptian tomb) cutting out little triangle doors (I didn't quite get the "diamond" shape right) and used my Marx space toys for the lab parts and crewmen.





The Lindberg Flying Saucer model was a pretty good match for the C-57-d. I just removed the twin rockets from the hull and painted over the plastic dome with silver paint.











I had hours of fun revisiting the story and making up new ones!

Oh . . . to be ten years old again!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
Oh . . . to be ten years old again!

Brother, you are preachin' to the choir! Rolling Eyes
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Bud Brewster wrote:
Gord Green wrote:
Oh . . . to be ten years old again!

Brother, you are preachin' to the choir! Rolling Eyes

I don't know. Kids today have more sophisticated toys, but we had better ones that COULD NEVER be sold today. Too many small parts and pieces that would be considered choking and cutting hazards.

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Krel wrote:
I don't know. Kids today have more sophisticated toys, but we had better ones that COULD NEVER be sold today. Too many small parts and pieces that would be considered choking and cutting hazards.

That's very true, Daivd. And just as Gord did, sometimes we made out own toys. I made simple sailboats in my dad's workshop and the nearby lake.

When I was in my early and mid teens, Jimmy Harmon (my best friend) and I used to spend hours creating creatures with modeling clay. Dinosaurs, monsters, and (a favorite of ours) octopuses, because of It Came from Beneath the Sea

My best creation was my Orgadon, an eight-inch alien which had sections of coat hanger wire inside his three-jointed legs to make them strong enough for him to stand, despite not being very thick.

He had small ball bearings for eyeballs so that when you looked as his face close you'd see your own face reflected, as if the creature had pupils . . . that followed your face when you moved your head. Very Happy

I still had it when I went into the Air Force in 1967, and I put it into an old refrigerator my dad had in his basement workshop. Modeling clay doesn't dry out, but it gets hard when it's cold.

When I got out in 1971, it was gone, and Dad apologized for throwing it out. He's figured I'd be too "grown up" want something I made out of clay when I about sixteen.

I've drawn a few pictures of the Orgadon over the years. He looked like this.


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