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Maurice Mission Specialist
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:49 am Post subject: |
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That Star Trek The Motion Picture Warp Re-Edit looks like a typical fan mishmash. They've slapped amateur hour VFX in with the actual stuff, and they've mixed three musically incompatible styles together in the title sequence alone. No thanks.
Eadie wrote: | Before the movie came out there was an earlier version that was planned with special effects by Magicam. Their model of V'Ger:
The front of V'Ger:
Traveling inside V'Ger:
Voyager surrounded by other alien space probes which, together, was the basis for V'Ger:
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To be more accurate. That model in the first pic is the Mike Minor designed V'ger for the Phase II TV series "In Thy Image" pilot episode, which is what TMP was based on. The second one looks like a Richard Taylor concept for TMP before RA&A were let go and Mead did a new design. The other two are, I think RA&A designs, not Magicam's. _________________ * * *
"The absence of limitations is the enemy of art."
― Orson Welles
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PumamanRedux Planetary Explorer
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
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off topic: In the US the 2013 edition of ST: TMP is $7.88 on blu-ray at Wal*Mart
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bulldogtrekker Space Sector Admiral
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: That is a great price price |
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That is a great price price! According to my records, I paid $9 for Star Trek the Motion Picture blueray at Best Buys about nine months ago but I had to trade in a DVD to get that price. |
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bulldogtrekker Space Sector Admiral
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: Celebrating Star Trek: The Motion Picture's 35th Anniversary |
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Celebrating Star Trek: The Motion Picture's 35th Anniversary
Star Trek fans are used to seeing the U.S.S. Enterprise on the big screen these days, but when Star Trek: The Motion Picture opened in theaters 35 years ago December 7, 1979 — it marked the first time Star Trek's majestic, iconic starship ventured into cinemas. The jury remains out on The Motion Picture, which was directed by Robert Wise, the man behind The Day the Earth Stood Still, The Andromeda Strain, West Side Story and The Sound of Music. Some people find it slow, even boring. Others love it, especially its basic story, which echoed the thinking person's sci-fi so associated with The Original Series. And, no question, the DVD version, Star Trek: The Motion Picture: The Director's Edition, vastly improves upon the initial release. To celebrate the film's 35th anniversary, StarTrek.com offers up some tidbits, factoids and anecdotes Trek's first theatrical voyage.
-- TMP rose from the ashes of Star Trek: Phase II, the abandoned television series that would have brought the Enterprise and most of the TOS cast back to the small screen. And, as the story goes, Phase II rose out of the ashes of a proposed TOS feature that was to have been directed by Philip Kaufman.
-- Filming on TMP commenced on August 7, 1978 (corrected) and wrapped on January 26, 1979. The wrap party was held on February 10, 1979, at Liu's Chinese Restaurant and Chez Moi Disco.
-- "I wasn't a Trekkie, though I'd seen a few episodes," Robert Wise recounted to the Philadelphia Daily News during an interview back in 1994. "The reason I did it was I'd done The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) and The Andromeda Strain (1971), which were earthbound, and I thought it was time I got into the heavens. By far, and for various reasons, it wasn't one of my favorite experiences," Wise went on to say. "The day-to-day on the set, directing the actors and working with Gene (Roddenberry), was fine, but we were rewriting the script every day, to the very last day of shooting."
-- TMP cost approximately $46 million to make, an astronomical sum for its day, but also an unfair number. That figure took into account the costs associated with Phase II and also the oft-told TMP special effects debacle saga.
-- Klingon was spoken for the first time in TMP.
-- The V'ger sound effects were performed using a blaster beam. What blaster beam? It's a musical instrument invented by Star Trek actor Craig Huxley, who was known as Craig Hundley when, on The Original Series, he played Peter Kirk in "Operation: Annihilate!" and Tommy Starnes in "And the Children Shall Lead." He also created the music for the Project Genesis simulation in The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock.
-- Several familiar Trek figures made uncredited cameos in TMP, among them Bjo Trimble, David Gerrold, Susan Sackett and Christopher Doohan.
-- One of the film's publicity shots famously has a long two-by-four clearly visible at the top right of the frame (see above.)
-- Leonard Nimoy, in a 1983 special titled Leonard Nimoy: Star Trek Memories, made the following, perfectly logical, statement about TMP:
"I t was a very finely crafted film, and it did well. But from the actor's point of view frankly, it was frustrating. We didn't feel that we were getting to play the characters that we enjoyed playing in the way that we knew how to play them. And it was frustrating for Gene Roddenberry too. It wasn't the story or script he had wanted, and the gaps seemed filled with too much emphasis on special effects."
-- Robert Wise, were he still alive, would have turned 100 years old on September 10, 2014. Sadly, the respected director died of a heart attack on September 14, 2005, at the age of 91.
-- TMP had its world premiere at the K-B MacArthur Theater in Washington, D.C. The screening was held on December 6, 1979, and was part of a fundraiser for the National Space Club.
-- TMP received three Oscar nominations: Art Direction, Music and Visual Effects.
LINK:
http://www.startrek.com/article/celebrating-star-trek-the-motion-pictures-35th-anniversary
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Pow Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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I read an article that said that Robert Wise wanted the uniforms for the crew to be primarily gray.
The gold/blue/red colors of the Enterprise crew's shirts on the original TV series would be too bright & distracting from the actors faces.
I never understood Mr.Wise's thinking here.
Motion pictures, once color came onto the scene, have utilized tons of color in their productions & never feared it'd take away attention from the performers. |
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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Celebrating Star Trek: The Motion Picture's 35th Anniver |
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bulldogtrekker wrote: | ... Filming on TMP commenced on August 7, 1979 and wrapped on January 26, 1979. ... |
Wow.
Somebody goofed. Are the dates backward?
Pow wrote: | ... I never understood Mr.Wise's thinking here. ... |
Mr. Wise simply couldn't get that black-and-white mentality out of his head. He was trained as a film editor and worked for Orson Welles, who preferred monochrome pictures. _________________ Common Sense ISN'T Common |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Celebrating Star Trek: The Motion Picture's 35th Anniver |
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Robert (Butch) Day wrote: | Somebody goofed. Are the dates backward? |
Well, ya see Butch, first you fly straight at the sun and go really fast -- like, warp 22 1/2 -- and then . . . _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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bulldogtrekker Space Sector Admiral
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject: Good catch, Butch |
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Good catch, Butch
According to Wikipedia, filming of The Motion Picture 's first scene began on August 7, 1978, and not August 7, 1979. The article I posted was incorrect.
On January 26, 1979, the film finally wrapped after 125 days.Imgur
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Pow wrote: | I read an article that said that Robert Wise wanted the uniforms for the crew to be primarily gray.
The gold/blue/red colors of the Enterprise crew's shirts on the original TV series would be too bright & distracting from the actors faces.
I never understood Mr.Wise's thinking here.
Motion pictures,once color came onto the scene,have utilized tons of color in their productions & never feared it'd take away attention from the performers. |
One thing that caught my attention when I visited the movie set exhibits (at Disneyland or other studio tours) was the universal toning down of the paint colors. They were all mixed with gray. I figured it was for making the skin tones of the actors more vibrant. _________________ ...or not...
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Pow Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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The transporter effect in ST:TMP was a very cool one.
However,it was altered after this film & never seen again. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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The transporter FX in TMP reminded me a bit too much of the psychedelic lamps I had back in the early 1970s, the ones I stared at for hours while eating large bags of chips.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Pow Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the pix,Bud.
That appears to be the scene where Kirk's Vulcan Science officer(not Spock) & a woman crewmember are beaming on board the Enterprise & get killed in the process.
Trivia: In the novel adaptation of the film, the female killed due to the transporter malfunction was Kirk's wife. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:04 am Post subject: |
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My take on TMP is that it took a fun, colorful, light-hearted, action-packed, exciting TV series and turned it into a dull, monochromatic, humorless, slow-paced, boring movie.
But the novelization was brilliant. It presented intelligent concepts in a well-told story, proving that the movie's plot had good ideas behind it. But those ideas were all water down and rounded off until the movie just hinted at what was spelled out beautifully in the book.
In short, the movie did just about everything wrong, except the music. It rocks. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Pow Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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You have summed up my feelings regarding this movie, Bud.
Clearly major $$$ was spent on this film; at 40 million dollars it was one of the most expensive budgets allocated at that time.
And it looked it! I well recall seeing those Klingon ships coming right for us in the audience & thinking what magnificent model work it was. The rest of the miniatures were just as beautifully crafted such as the space stations, drydock, worker bee crafts, Vulcan shuttle. The production values were incredible, but the execution of the story & the handling of the characters were a total flop. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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And they never did get it right, except for Wrath of Khan (flawed in it's own ways, none-the-less). They took a show designed for a young audience, populated by vigorous young characters, and they stuck the same aging cast back into the same roles after they had aged past the point when they could play them well.
Gone were the young physiques in the tight uniforms for the guys and the short skirts for the girls -- and in their place were good actors just the right age to play the parents of the former crewmen.
They made a movie for diehard Trekkies (aka, groupies devoted to Shatner and company) instead of for intelligent Trekkers (people devoted to Roddenberry's vision of the future).
I've always maintained that the people who didn't like Voyager rejected it because it changed the trappings of the show, even though it embodied the heart and soul of the premised.
Those folks wanted Kirk and company saluting Star Fleet, not Janeway and company boldly going where one in Star Fleet had gone before. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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