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Maurice
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| Krel wrote: | On the LIS board, someone mentioned that in the show's documents they stated that the JII was suppose to be 80 feet in diameter. The crashed JII set, and JII lander are a little over half that diameter.
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I believe that's brought up in the recent Irwin Allen book by Jeff Bond. I think it says the sets were built to a practical scale but in "reality" the ship would be closer to 80 ft in diameter.
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The ship "in reality" would be 84 ft in diameter...
BUT the set construction was significantly smaller...As the on set appearance would be just as effective with a lesser actual outlay of material.
From the actual construction blueprints.
The smaller construction was just as effective because it was usually only shown in smaller shots not showing more than the entrance and the major characters.
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I've always thought it was a shame that they buried the Jupiter 2 in the sand to put at ground level, instead of making it sit on it's landing gears and have the characters used the stairway.
As I stated on the first page of this post, this is what the Jupiter 2 should look like —
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— not like this. It just looks like a round house!
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Here's short-but-jazzy little video that shows off just how cool the Jupiter 2 can be.
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scotpens
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord Green wrote: | | The ship "in reality" would be 84 ft in diameter... |
Well, yes, if you attempt to squeeze in the lower level. But that leaves a ridiculous amount of wasted empty space on the control deck! |
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Krel
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| scotpens wrote: | | Gord Green wrote: | | The ship "in reality" would be 84 ft in diameter... |
Well, yes, if you attempt to squeeze in the lower level. But that leaves a ridiculous amount of wasted empty space on the control deck! |
The part of the upper deck you see would be moved forward, leaving a lot of space behind for systems and storage. The same for the lower deck, which would explain where a lot of their equipment came from.
One thing to remember is that when the pilot was filmed, the idea was to abandon the damaged Gemini 12, and move to a more hospitable area. As the Gemini 12 was designed, they would have to have built shelters outside of the ship.
To have built the crashed JII set full-size would have taken a much larger soundstage. As it was the soundstages LOS used were pretty compact. In the second season, they moved the production to even smaller soundstages which had no well for the ladder and elevator to lower into. They could show the elevator rising for the lower deck, and the Robinsons climbing the ladder, but to go to to the lower deck, they had the cast walk into the storeroom at the rear.
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Maurice
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Krel wrote: | | scotpens wrote: | | Gord Green wrote: | | The ship "in reality" would be 84 ft in diameter... |
Well, yes, if you attempt to squeeze in the lower level. But that leaves a ridiculous amount of wasted empty space on the control deck! |
The part of the upper deck you see would be moved forward, leaving a lot of space behind for systems and storage. The same for the lower deck, which would explain where a lot of their equipment came from.
One thing to remember is that when the pilot was filmed, the idea was to abandon the damaged Gemini 12, and move to a more hospitable area. As the Gemini 12 was designed, they would have to have built shelters outside of the ship.
To have built the crashed JII set full-size would have taken a much larger soundstage. As it was the soundstages LOS used were pretty compact. In the second season, they moved the production to even smaller soundstages which had no well for the ladder and elevator to lower into. They could show the elevator rising for the lower deck, and the Robinsons climbing the ladder, but to go to to the lower deck, they had the cast walk into the storeroom at the rear.
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The LIS stages weren't that small. Just the Jupiter was a pretty big set.
Blueprints for the pilot indicate the ship was supposed to have a hole punched in it so the ship was wrecked, much like Swiss Family Robinson, but that was either never built or didn't make the final pilot film. I'm pretty sure it was when they retooled the show for series production they built that stand-up version of the ship, which I seem to recall they only used once in the first season, for "The Derelict". How they justified such a large expenditure is puzzling.
I think it wasn't until the 3rd season that they moved to a different stage and lost the pit which allowed the lift to work.
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Krel
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| Maurice wrote: |
The LIS stages weren't that small. Just the Jupiter was a pretty big set.
Blueprints for the pilot indicate the ship was supposed to have a hole punched in it so the ship was wrecked, much like Swiss Family Robinson, but that was either never built or didn't make the final pilot film. I'm pretty sure it was when they retooled the show for series production they built that stand-up version of the ship, which I seem to recall they only used once in the first season, for "The Derelict". How they justified such a large expenditure is puzzling.
I think it wasn't until the 3rd season that they moved to a different stage and lost the pit which allowed the lift to work. |
I thought it was in the second season that were moved to other soundstages, but I could be mistaken
There was a guy on the LIS forum that did a breakdown of the soundstages they used, and they were pretty small, you would be amazed at how they used those stages. With the right camera angels and lighting, the rocks in the outside set in the other soundstage was used as a cave!
The stand-up JII was also used in the first season for the scenes where you see the JII crashed for the first time. They could either retract, or remove the landing legs. It's really a shame that they didn't use the sanding JII more, it was very impressive. The cast hated it though, as there were all sorts of sharp object to catch them as they climbed up to the platform in the standing JII. The standing JII was kept in a soundstage until the episode where they landed on Earth. It was so difficult and expensive to move it out of the soundstage, that it was never moved back inside. Which is why they made that single leg set for the third season.
There were other JII sets. A partial exterior for the spacewalk scenes, and a partial control room for the rear projection scenes for the main view port. The reason for the partial control room, was they needed distance for the projection to the screen.
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Maurice
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Krel wrote: | | There was a guy on the LIS forum that did a breakdown of the soundstages they used, and they were pretty small, you would be amazed at how they used those stages. With the right camera angels and lighting, the rocks in the outside set in the other soundstage was used as a cave![...] |
By the numbers:
Desilu stage 9/Paramount 31, which housed the TOS sets, is 15,488 sq. ft, (145' x 107').
Fox stage 11, which housed the Jupiter upper deck and crash site, is 16,250 sq. ft. (130’ x 125’)
Desilu stage 10/Paramount 32, which housed the TOS planet set and various swing sets , is 15,690 sq. ft, (146' x 109').
I've seen some contradictory information about other stages used by LIS, but many report it was Fox stage 6, which housed the LIS planet set not including the Jupiter crash site, which is 28,274 sq. feet (210' x 134')
LIS also had another stage (sometimes reported as Fox stage 5) for the Jupiter lower deck and other sets, which is the same size as stage 6.
If this is accurate, then Star Trek's main stage is 95% the size of LIS's main stage (in its 1st two seasons) and
Star Trek's planet stage (10) was only 56% the size of Lost In Space's planet stage( 6)
Add stage 5 to Lost In Space and you end up with that show having 133% more dedicated stage space than Trek.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting that both the Lost In Space reboot as well as Battlestar Galactica reboot are both vastly superior to the original versions. |
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The trend towards big budget sci-fi movies in recent years has demonstrated that science fiction has gained a great deal of respect and that the movie-going public expects much better special effects than they used to.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Pow wrote: | | Interesting that both the Lost In Space reboot as well as Battlestar Galactica reboot are both vastly superior to the original versions. |
WRONG! Just the opposite.
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Just to clarify, you think the new version of Lost in Space is NOT far better than the old Irwin Allen series? 
Just askin', David.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Correct Bud, in fact I can make, what I think is a strong case that the new one isn't really LIS! But I'm not sure this is the place to make it.
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Bud Brewster
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Oh, I understand now. 
This isn't a difference of opinion between two fans of the original LIS, one of whom thinks the new version is an improvement. Instead, it's a discussion between one fan of the original and one non-fan of the original, the latter of which likes this new sci-fi series called Lost in Space.
That said, what do you think of it just as a sci-fi series. 
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Gord Green
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For me the original series is almost unwatchable. It's juvenile stories and the ...just ridiculous costumes and make up along with Dr. Smiths' over the top mugging distracts from the pretty good tech and spaceship depictions.
The Netflix series at least takes the concept to a much higher level. I can see that someone who loved the original series would not like the new one...just like a Star Trek TOS fan would be turned off by ST:Discovery.
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