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Forbidden Planet (1956)
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Gord Green
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 feet long with a mirror to make it look 80 feet long sounds more realistic to have been constructed. But , who knows? So many details like this are lost to conjecture.

I do wish a real, deeply researched and fact checked "coffee table book" could be published and put a lot of these "nit-picky" questions to rest. Hopefully somewhere in the vaults of M.G.M. or others more details, blueprints etc may exist.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
I do wish a real, deeply researched and fact checked "coffee table book" could be published and put a lot of these "nit-picky" questions to rest. Hopefully somewhere in the vaults of M.G.M. or others more details, blueprints etc may exist.

Well dang, I was sure that the Cinefantastique double-issue article by Frederick S. Clarke and Steve Rubin had a description of how the 7800-level shaft was created.

I searched hard . . . and didn't find it! Shocked

So, then I checked the Cinefantastique single-issue article just in case.

Not only is the info not there either, the author (Steve Rubin, writing alone) makes several astonishing errors, along with some surprising differences in the "facts" which he and Frederick S. Clarke stated in the double issue.

The caption at the upper right corner of page 58 — image #59 in the thread with the article from the double issue — states that the scene of the men in the "big room" was shot on an "empty stage" (as the photo which Gord recently posted illustrates).








However, the excerpt below from the single-issue article says this!





Wow . . . Mr. Rubin thought there were four men in that scene, and the Krell machine had 7900 levels instead of 7800!

He also claims the men in that scene were midgets, even though we've discussed the fact that the midgets were used in the bridge-crossing scene.

And he contradicts his statement in the double-issue article by claiming the scene was filmed in ( . . . you guessed it) a parking lot.

Weird, huh? Confused

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps the invisible fourth midget was Lt.FARNER!



By the way, here are a couple more documents from the FP special effects unit at MGM-





A blueprint for the C57-d Astrogator -



And....A prelim pencil for a poster -



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair when a lot of these old articles were written there was no home video to refer to and no internet to scour so people often got particulars wrong, especially if repeating stuff they saw or heard months or years ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's so true Maurice! Information gets passed on and on even if it's incorrect! That's why it's so critical that an ACCURATE in depth book should be written.
Wishful thinking....But it would be very welcome!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice catch, Gord! I missed Jerry's name in there!

As for Maurice's comment about the lack of home video version back with the articles were written, that's certain true, and it would explain some mistakes . . . but not others.

Remember that the double-issue makes ample use of screenplay excerpts, and one of the scenes which Frederick S. Clarke and Steve Rubin quoted from the screenplay makes it abundantly clear as to which officers accompanied Morbius on the tour.

Also bear in mind that the introduction to the double-issue article (right below the block of film credits on the left —






— speaks extensively about the vast research that was done, including interviews with members of the film crew and studio heads who were still alive. Throughout the article, Frederick and Steve site their sources very often.

And finally, I suspect these guys attended ever Art House theater showing of Forbidden Planet they could get to (just like I did back in those days) — so these guys weren't writing about movie they saw few times, long ago. Very Happy

In fact, back in the 1960s I had a reel-to-reel recording of the movie which was made from my family television. So, long before I had VHS tapes and DVDs of FP, I could quote large blocks of the dialog. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recast memories from an individual who has been involved in hundreds of projects are still problematical, Even an executive in charge of a project may be totally ignorant to the real facts of the situation.

To recant this info as Gospel is subjective to say the least.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Steve Rubin and Frederick Clark spent months (or years) researching, writing, revising, and editing that FP article in Cinefantastique! The volume of research they did is staggering. No other article about FP holds a candle to it.

For years I'm been calling it the Bible of FP info. This is the first time we've ever found a a single error of any kind — and even then if was in Steve Rubin's shorter article, not the one he coauthored with Mr. Clarke.

And yet in that one paragraph he got several things wrong . . . including the misspelling of Jerry FARMAN'S name! Shocked

It's perplexing to say the least.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
Steve Rubin and Frederick Clark spent months (or years) researching, writing, revising, and editing that FP article in Cinefantastique! The volume of research they did is staggering. No other article about FP holds a candle to it.

For years I'm been calling it the Bible of FP info. This is the first time we've ever found a a single error of any kind — and even then if was in Steve Rubin's shorter article, not the one he coauthored with Mr. Clarke.

And yet in that one paragraph he got several things wrong . . . including the misspelling of Jerry FARMAN'S name! Shocked

It's perplexing to say the least.
Confused

Anyone with experience publishing in print runs into this all the time. Sometimes you make a mistake. Sometimes the editors rewrite a bit and mess it up. Sometimes we're only human and we write down something wrong and we don't notice it until we reread it...if ever.

Hell, most people can't even keep their stories straight. Nick Meyer has flip-flopped details about Star Trek VI several times over the years in interviews and his memoir.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maurice wrote:
Anyone with experience publishing in print runs into this all the time. Sometimes you make a mistake. Sometimes the editors rewrite a bit and mess it up. Sometimes we're only human and we write down something wrong and we don't notice it until we reread it...if ever.

Just to be clear, since my respect for the author is based on his admirable record of accuracy . . . and since his devotion to Forbidden Planet is equal to my own . . . and since this is the first time I've become aware of even the smallest error in these articles — I'm sure you're not suggesting I can't feel "perplexed" by a very atypical paragraph which is riddle with uncharacteristic errors? Shocked

With that in mind, may I ask what your own reaction was when you read that odd excerpt? Did you just think to yourself, "Oops! He sure screwed up that part!" Laughing

If not, Maurice, we certainly must have very different opinions of the author's professional integrity. Confused

Sir, I'm not trying to be overly critical of the author . . . in fact, just the reverse!

I'm just expressing my surprise that the author's usual adherence to accuracy suddenly wandered off into the weeds! Confused

The fact that I was "perplexed" does NOT mean I was criticizing the author. Actually it just meant I was surprised that his professional standards lapsed, both briefly and unexpectedly.

It was a bit like suddenly seeing the lovely Marilyn Monroe show up in a glamorous scene . . . wearing no makeup, and with several un-popped zits! Shocked

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Did I even quote your post, Bud? No.

I was simply stating how errors like this get made even by people who know their facts.

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Here is a question I don't remember having been brought up before.

For close to 20 years Morbius had been researching, and translating the contents of the Krell library. So how did he record his translations? We never saw any recoding devices or journals, nor realistically should we have. He had a page of printed Krell writings, so he could print material. Unless that page had been left somewhere in the lab. Maybe the unseen wall of his study had shelves full of journals. Even his self-confessed meager translations must have been massive after 20 years of daily research. He would want to keep them readily accessible and close at hand.

I propose that Robby was his repository of his Krell translations. If so, then the United Planets would receive a large jump in technological knowledge when C-57-D returns to Earth.

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Maurice wrote:
Did I even quote your post, Bud? No.

I was simply stating how errors like this get made even by people who know their facts.

I guess I missed your initial point.

Ummm . . . what was your initial point? Something about writers making mistakes, right?

Hey, that was my point too? If I didn't make that clear, I sincerely apologize. Sad

Oh well, here's a thought! Let's just move on, shall we?

I mean, for God's sake, Maurice — I just said I was perplexed by Steve Rubins's multiple screw-ups! Why would I need to quote anything you said for that? Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOOK WHAT I FOUND AT MY LOCAL WALMART!







$19.95... CHECK IT OUT AT YOUR WALLYWORLD!
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Krel wrote:
For close to 20 years Morbius had been researching, and translating the contents of the Krell library. So how did he record his translations? We never saw any recoding devices or journals, nor realistically should we have. He had a page of printed Krell writings, so he could print material.

Perhaps there was a Krellian version of the "cloud" that placed information in some location accesable to use. Also, it seemed he could download and print anything he felt necessary. Like….



Ha!....Build a Robby from THIS!!!

The answer of course....is 42!

Although , actually ...We all know it's really ...23!

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