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STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE (1979)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnnybear wrote:
Sounds like shortsightedness on a massive scale to me!!! Don't the people who own the studios keep an eye on the idiots that they pay to manage their affairs? Surprised
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I don't know if the wimsical idea I proposed a few years ago would work or not, but I suggested the idea of a Hollywood company that designed and created sci-fi props and sets that they could then be rented out to movie makers and TV series producers.

The sets could be designed as modular units which would be delivered to the studio, set up for use during filming, and then returned to the company warehouse. And of course, a studio could decide to buy a set to be used long-term for a series, thus permitting them to modify and expand it.

Props could also be either rented or purchased.

This concept is basically a variation on the idea of having a special effects shop like Industrial Light and Magic who provide the FX for a production.

Knowing what sets and props could easily be rented would help screenwriters visualize the stories their working on. They wouldn't have to worry about having their own mental images an appealing starship bridge be turned into some crappy version by the studio!

Instead, the script would just say something like:

Interior: captain enters ship's bridge [use Bridge Set #12 from Hollywood Sets and Props Unlimited]

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud, there used to be, and maybe still is a prop shop (Modern Props?) that specialized in futuristic props. They made that prop seen in many SF movies, and TV shows that had the long, red flashing tubes between two pool skimmers.

There is a company that rents computer panels, they have the computers that Fox used in so many of their productions in the 60s and 70s.

I'm not aware of any companies that have standing SF sets, but there are companies that have standings sets, Court rooms, airliner cabins and such. With the way things are I wonder if the airport terminal set from "The Terminal" was kept for movie and TV productions.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krel wrote:
I wonder if the airport terminal set from "The Terminal" was kept for movie and TV productions.

It was used in every Universal Studios produced movies and TV series at least through the 1990s.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thinking Outside the "Plot"!
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We're told that the "Ilia probe" and Decker merge with V'Ger to create "new life form" at the end of the movie. This life form would be immensely powerful, and it contains all the knowledge which V'Ger collected during it's long journey from the Machine Planet back to Earth.

~ A Question for the Members: First of all, did V'Ger send its vast treasure of knowledge to Star Fleet? If so, how did change mankind's technology.

Second, what happened to V'Ger when it simply disappeared? Did it transform itself into some kind of invisible, non-material entity? Did it somehow return to the Machine Planet that modified Voyage 6 — and if so, why?

Finally, if we assume this "new life form" is a super-powerful, super-intelligent being who represents "the next step in mankind's evolution" (according to Spock), how might it eventually interact with the human race?

~ My Theory: That's a lot to tackle! I don't have ideas for most of the questions, so I'll just kick off the discussion by proposing that due to V'Ger's nature after the transformation (especially since Decker and Ilia became part of it), it seems likely that V'Ger would feel benevolent towards mankind.

If we assume the Borg weren't completely destroyed in Endgame, the series finale of ST: Voyager, is it possible that a "recovering remnant" of the Borg will threaten mankind again, and V'Ger will do battle with the Borg?

Just a few thoughts, guys. I'd love to hear some of your own! Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the film's finale it's stated that the crew of the Enterprise were able to give V'Ger meaning and purpose to its existence.

We never know though exactly what it does with this new knowledge or where it goes.

Could it possibly be that this new entity is exploring the universe and continuing to add to its vast knowledge?

And unlike the Federation of Planets Prime Directive Order, does V'Ger reach out to help civilizations in need but in ways that will not create disastrous upheaval which is what the FOP fears if they interfere in a planet's development?

Perhaps V'Ger is so immensely powerful that it can extrapolate all the variables for any actions it takes to assist a culture without inadvertently harming a culture even with the best of intentions?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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God Lord Almighty, Pow! Shocked

I am SO impressed by your reply! I didn't think of ANY of the concepts you suggested, and they are absolutely awesome . . . Cool

Your ideas could serve as the basic premise for a stunning new Star Trek movie in which the Enterprise is sent out to investigate a series of strange phenomenon in a distance star system.

Star Fleet is not aware that these phenomenon are caused by V'Ger, doing the very things you described!

The Enterprise crew wouldn't know they were dealing with the new, transformed V'Ger — and it's efforts to deal with a problem which an alien race was having.

Shortly after arriving in the star system and scanning it to learn what's going on, the crew is startled by the sudden appearance of both Decker and Ilia on the bridge, smiling happily at the crewmen! Very Happy

They are, of course, just projections of the two humans — created by V'Ger to communicate with the crew of the Enterprise and explain what the super-intelligent, super-powerful life form is in this star system to do.

And that . . . is as much as I've got. Rolling Eyes

But you're brilliant concept spawned this flurry of images in my imagination, and I can't thank you enough for inspiring these great story ideas! Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like where you are going with this idea Bud.

It could make for a fascinating sequel to ST:TMP.

And thank you for the compliments.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All I did was toss out several questions about aspects of the film's conclusion that have always bothered me! Confused

What YOU did was answer the questions with a few concepts that electrified my imagination!

Please don't cut off my power, sir! What comes next? Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to get back to this idea, Bud.

I'm still working on my version of "Journey to the Far Side of the Sun."

A good amigo is gonna lend me his dvd of the movie so that I can fully refresh my memory of the entire movie.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nitpicker's Guide for ST:TMP

Earth must not be terribly important to the United Federation of Planets. Starfleet Command decides to sent out the Enterprise to stop V,ger even though the Enterprise is not ready for space flight at this point in its refit which is still going on.

Why are there absolutely no other Federation star ships available to tackle V'ger? Only the Enterprise can do it!?!

This is an unfortunate trope that will show up in future Star Trek movies. It really is lazy scripting.

Where is help from other members of the Federation besides Earth? Again, not one of their star ships is available and space worthy?

For some reason the pilot who ferries Mr. Spock to the Enterprise in the Vulcan ship doesn't identify his passenger when he requests to dock with the Enterprise.

I know they were going for the BIG dramatic moment when Spock comes on board the Enterprise for the first time. Given how critical this mission was, it seems unlikely that it would realistically play out the way the movie did it by not having the Enterprise alerted as to Spock being on the shuttle.

Why does V'ger send its mechanized version of Ilia into a sonic shower? Pure titillation obviously for the male audience.
Still, it makes no sense for V'ger do really do this.

Why wouldn't V'ger simply send its android Ilia over fully clothed in her Enterprise uniform?

If V'ger is such an awesome machine, how come android Ilia is a perfect likeness in every way except for her voice. She sounds like a Transformer.

At one point, Mr. Spock states that V'ger obviously operates from a central brain. How is this obvious? The current trend in computing is away from centralization and toward lots of smaller computers hooked together over networks.

The opening scene on Vulcan shows Spock meditating on the hot sands of his home planet. Oddly enough, there's a really big moon and a large planet in the sky. During the TV episode "Man Trap," Mr. Spock told Uhura that Vulcan had no moon.

The female Vulcan says to Spock, ''Live long and prosper,"
but does not do the Vulcan salute with her hand. Why?
Up till now the hand gesture always accompanied the saying.

Note from me: I always found it odd that she simply dropped the medallion into the dirt when she determined that Spock was not going to achieve the state of purging all emotion and become fully Vulcan. Yeah, Spock ain't gonna receive his medal but why then toss it onto the ground? Is that really logical?

The three Klingon star ships transmit pictures of their disastrous encounter with V'ger which Captain Kirk plays for the crew of the Enterprise on the rec deck.
The recording shows V'ger for several seconds after the destruction of the three Klingon vessels.

How could the recording show V'ger after it absorbed the Klingon ships?

The movie does mention a sensor probe, but the impression was that the probe was intercepting the Klingon transmissions, not actually recording the battle itself.

In the first of his captain's logs, Kirk claims that the Enterprise must risk engaging warp speed while still in the solar system in order to intercept V'ger.

Is this really that risky? On "The Naked Time," Scotty informs Kirk that they will be "warping out of orbit" one half-second after the captain gives the word.

Note from me: In that episode Psi 2000 was a dead ice world with nothing living any longer on it. Perhaps warping away from such a planet is acceptable for this reason. If a star ship warps out of orbit from any planet with life it might cause havoc to the atmosphere, gravity, and other planetary elements.

How come some stations on the bridge of this newly designed Enterprise marvel had to stand at their consoles with no chairs available?

When Kirk needs to get to the Enterprise, he beams up to the space station and then Scott pilots him over in a shuttle pod. Scotty tells Kirk that the Enterprise's transporters are temporarily out of order.

Why didn't Kirk simply beam directly from Earth to the Enterprise? The transporters on Earth should be operating fully and would not require the Enterprise transporters to complete the energizing procedure.

Yeah I know, otherwise the audience wouldn't have the eye-feast of the Enterprise as Scotty gives Kirk a tour of it from the shuttle pod.

This also begs the question that if the Earth is in imminent jeopardy from V'ger did Scotty & Kirk really have the precious time to casually fly around the the Enterprise?

As Kirk leaves the Enterprise in a spacesuit, we see the scaffolding that supports the set!

Noted author Harlan Ellison wrote in his review of the movie that he found it laughable that the near omniscient V'ger was never smart enough to wipe clean the plate on the Voyager satellite in order to read its full name.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pow wrote:
In the first of his captain's logs, Kirk claims that the Enterprise must risk engaging warp speed while still in the solar system in order to intercept V'ger.

I had no idea that ST starships could not go into warp drive if they were to close to a planet! Confused

And if it's dangerous to go to warp drive while "still in the solar system", how long does it take to get OUT of the solar system on impulse drive? It doesn't propel the ship at light speed, does it?

Hell's bells, it takes sunlight 5 1/2 hours to reach Pluto! If a ship on impulse drive travels at 1/10th the speed of light (which is extremely fast), that would still be a 55 hour trip just to get to "out of the solar system"!

The website at this address states that this idea was first mentioned in ST: The Motion Picture (as Pow stated above), and again in episodes of DS9.

I guess that would explain why I don't remember ever hearing this idea in TS: TOS. I think those folks warped right out of orbit a time or two. But I could be wrong.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a number of Star Trek TOS episodes in which "warping out of orbit" is mentioned. The impression is that going to warp speed within a solar system is commonplace.

Just one more inconsistency in a very long list!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the redesigned engines were too dangerous to activate while in orbit due to effects that could be felt on the surface of the planet?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's an interesting idea, Johnny! Here's another thought.

If they create a new kind of warp drive which is faster but is also detrimental to the planets in a star system when it's engaged, that means they've also create a potential weapon which could be used against entire planets! Shocked

Either the Federation or an enemy alien species could simply engage their warp drive in close proximity to a planet and cause widespread destruction.

Frankly I hate the idea that warp drive could be used as a weapon of mass destruction. It's a complete reversal of the noble idea that warp drive frees a species from the confines imposed by the lack of faster-than-light travel and permits them to journey to other star systems. Sad

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud, my understanding of warp mechanics is that the warp nacelles emit a gravitic bubble around the ship to project it forward. Possibly the warp bubble also projects a modicum of gravitic waves into space around it that could effect planetary orbits.

At least that's what Scotty told me....but you know he likes his scotch.

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