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Which submarine has a special appeal to you?
WWII subs in classic movies
20%
 20%  [ 1 ]
The Nautius from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
40%
 40%  [ 2 ]
The Seaview from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
20%
 20%  [ 1 ]
The Proteus from Fantastic Voyagre
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The SeaQuest from the 1990s series
20%
 20%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:04 pm    Post subject: Which submarine design has a special appeal to you? Reply with quote

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I've been an avid submarine buff since I was knee high to a salty old sea dog! Very Happy

When I was just a wee lad, I built this simple model of the USS Nautilus —






— and took it to a small "swimmin' hole" located at a point in a local creek, hidden deep in the woods several miles from my house. It was just a wide point in the creek, about half the size of a children's pool at a public facility, no more than waist deep.

I was accompanied by my sci-fi loving friend, Jimmy Harmon (seen here creating a clay creature for one of our 8mm stop motion films).



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At this slightly wider and deeper point in the little creek, we discovered that my model floated perfectly at periscope depth — probably because the "sail" was air tight, but the body of the ship was filled with water.

I was delighted to learn that by gently pushing it forward in the water, it would always drift away and then descend slowly in the muddy water . . . until it disappear!

But thirty seconds later it would majestically float back to the surface — several feet to one side of where Jimmy and I expected it to reappear! Shocked

It was absolutely uncanny! Jimmy and I were both perplexed by the phenomenon.

After enjoying this strange behavior repeatedly for about 30 minutes . . . the model suddenly failed to resurface! Sad

Jimmy and I dove down and felt across the sandy bottom of our small swimmin' hole over and over again . . . but we couldn't find the model anywhere in the 40 X 20 foot wide area of the little creek we were swimming in! Confused

I never saw the model again . . . Sad
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My DVD library has several movies with stories which involve actual submarines, like Ice Station Zeba, Operation Pacific, and Hell and High Water.






Naturally I have a few movies with sci-fi submarines like the ones shown below.











I don't think I could pick a favorite from these, because each one has its own unique qualities in their designs. And of course, the movies that featured each one tend to influence our opinion of the submarines themselves!

After all, the WW II subs were an important part of a real global conflict. And today's modern subs are technological marvels! Shocked

The Nautilus from the 1954 movie is presented in a great Jules Verne story, and the Seaview is a modern era yarn about the ultimate "global warming" catastrophe.

And the amazing Proteus cruises around in the unique ocean of a human circulatory system! Shocked

So, when you make your choice in the poll above, feel free to let the movie which that particular sub appeared in influence your decision.

After all, if your all-time favorite "submarine moment" was the Seaview surging up from the ocean in that great scene from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, don't be shy about picking it over all the others. Very Happy

And gentlemen, I hope you'll please leave a reply which tells us why you've made the choice you did. So far, these "poll" threads of mine have been a miserable failure. Sad

Frankly I was sure you guys would jump on those threads and create great discussions! Confused

Well, you know what they say, guys. "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's has one."

So . . . please stop sitting on the latter while you're being too lazy to share the former! Shocked

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to choose but I went with the Seaview. Mostly for the opening shot where she breaches amongst the ice floes, Barbara Eden gyrating, and the theme song sung by Frankie Avalon.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really can't choose between the Disney Nautilus, the Seaview, and the Proteus. They're all timeless and beautiful designs -- and all of them are completely impractical. But hey, it's science fiction.

trekriffic wrote:
Hard to choose but I went with the Seaview. Mostly for the opening shot where she breaches amongst the ice floes, Barbara Eden gyrating, and the theme song sung by Frankie Avalon.

I always wondered what happened to the water in the shark tank when the Seaview breached the surface at a 60-degree angle.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotpens wrote:
I always wondered what happened to the water in the shark tank when the Seaview breached the surface at a 60-degree angle.

Hmmm . . . I guess as long as the hatches on both sides of the room were closed, the water would just slosh to the back of the room and then right back into the tank!

Then Peter Lorre would hurry back into the room and make sure the shark wasn't laying the bridge that went across the room.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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scotpens wrote:
I always wondered what happened to the water in the shark tank when the Seaview breached the surface at a 60-degree angle.

Hmmm . . . I guess as long as the hatches on both sides of the room were closed, the water would just slosh to the back of the room and then right back into the tank!

Then Peter Lorre would hurry back into the room and make sure the shark wasn't laying the bridge that went across the room.
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Perhaps the tank has automatic doors made of the same stuff as the Seaview’s bow windows that close over the tank the moment the sub deviates from level travel by more than a few degrees.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trekriffic wrote:
Perhaps the tank has automatic doors made of the same stuff as the Seaview’s bow windows that close over the tank the moment the sub deviates from level travel by more than a few degrees.

Hey, that's brilliant! Very Happy

I would also suggest that a Plexiglas cover remained over the tank on a routine basis and only be rolled back when Peter Lorre or some other person needed to work with the shark.

But that means we need to explain why the cover wasn't over the tank when Joan Fontaine and Captain Crane are standing on it and the ship is shaken by a sudden shock to the ship — which is odd, by the way, because the other sub had already imploded and all the torpedoes had exploded. Confused

Oh well. never mind. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, Crane falls onto the bridge, but Joan tumbles into the water and thrashes around screaming while the shark gobbles her up.

With that in mind, perhaps there's a sensor that prevents the cover from rolling out if it detects the presence of a person in the tank, the way we see Peter Lorre "shark walking" the drugged fish in Peter's first scene.

While writing this post, I popped in my DVD and watched the movie because this discussion got me in the mood for it! Very Happy

I noticed several scenes in which the Seaview was shown in fairly step dives, sometimes more than 45° — like the early scene when it dives lower to avoid the sinking chunks of ice, and again when it dives to the bottom to find the trans-Atlantic cable, and later when it dives to escape from the subs that are firing torpedoes at it.










My point, of course, is that I think Trekriffic's theory about a water-tight cover over the tank isn't just plausible, it's plum essential! Very Happy

And my suggestion that it would activate automatically and quickly when the sub's angle deviated from the horizontal might be a safety feature. Cool

Incidentally, I discovered that the DVD has a great commentary by Tim Colliver, author of a book called Seaview: The Making of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

Amazon has it for the low, low price of . . . $847.00!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In A Hard Day's Night (1964), John Lennon used the Revell Nautilus model as a bathtub toy.



And I'm sure a lot of us modeling geeks remember that the Aurora Seaview made a great pool toy. If you dunked the model, let it fill with water for slight negative buoyancy, and gave it a little shove, it would glide straight and true to the bottom of the swimming pool. All those fins kept the model on an even keel!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotpens wrote:
In A Hard Day's Night (1964), John Lennon used the Revell Nautilus model as a bathtub toy.

Perhaps the one I used to own wasn't Revell. The plastic was black, and it was significantly longer than the one John is holding.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
scotpens wrote:
In A Hard Day's Night (1964), John Lennon used the Revell Nautilus model as a bathtub toy.

Perhaps the one I used to own wasn't Revell. The plastic was black, and it was significantly longer than the one John is holding.

You probably had the Aurora Nautilus kit. It's in a bigger scale and has a more accurate hull shape than the Revell model, but the Revell version is prettier.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had both of the Nautilus kits as a young teen.

I attempted to convert the Aurora Nautilus into the sub seen in Ice Station Zebra. I accurized the bow planes by adding thinner struts. I even added a thin antenna to the back of the conning tower by heating a piece of black sprue with a match and stretching it. It was The first model I ever kitbashed.

It only sorta looked like the one seen in the movie. The USS Tigerfish from the film was a diesel powered Guppy class sub with a single screw instead of the two on the nuclear powered Nautilus. Even so, it was close enough for me as a kid.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trekriffic wrote:
It only sorta looked like the one seen in the movie. The USS Tigerfish from the film was a diesel powered Guppy class sub with a single screw instead of the two on the nuclear powered Nautilus. Even so, it was close enough for me as a kid.

N0! NO IT WASN'T! It was atomic powered, they said so in the movie, and even showed them looking into the reactor!

Anything else is a lie! I can't hear anything else...LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! Razz

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Gentlemen, clearly some of us are suffering from that terrible deep sea malady we saw in The Abyss, in which Corporal Hicks goes bonkers and wants to nuke the site from high orbit to kill all the Russian aliens who want to steal the stolen Death Star plans! Shocked

I think we should all just relax, take a stress pill, and let HAL explain why he and Colossus think they can rule the world better than Donald Trump can. Cool

What about it, guys? The first round of Heinekens is on me! Very Happy



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krel wrote:
trekriffic wrote:
It only sorta looked like the one seen in the movie. The USS Tigerfish from the film was a diesel powered Guppy class sub with a single screw instead of the two on the nuclear powered Nautilus. Even so, it was close enough for me as a kid.

N0! NO IT WASN'T! It was atomic powered, they said so in the movie, and even showed them looking into the reactor!

Anything else is a lie! I can't hear anything else...LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! Razz

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Gosh darn it I plum forgot... fiction is more truthful than fact!
Sorry krel.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trekriffic wrote:
Gosh darn it I plum forgot... fiction is more truthful than fact!
Sorry krel.

As William Goldman wrote in his book, "Adventures in the Screenwriting Trade", there is a difference between real, real and reel, real. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correction to my earlier statement. The GUPPY actually was a twin screw sub as was the sub seen in the movie. As was the Nautilus.
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