ALL SCI-FI Forum Index ALL SCI-FI
Nothin' but pure science fiction!
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

King Kong (1933)
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ALL SCI-FI Forum Index -> Sci-Fi Movies and Serials from 1900 to 1949
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Bud Brewster
Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)


Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 12652
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

________________________________

I've read descriptions of how preview audiences were supposedly horrified by the spider pit scene, and for that reason it was edited out of the movie.

I'm sure the folks who wrote those things believed that their sources were legitimate, but after all these years of hoping that the spider pit scene had been filmed and would someday be found, it's frustrating to realize that it was all just wishful thinking on our part. Sad

What this experience teaches us is that we have to weigh the real evidence that something we want to be true might really exists against our strong desire to believe anything that supports that belief.

We tend to believe whatever we want to be true. It's a sad fact of human nature.

_________________
____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Krel
Galactic Ambassador


Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 1569

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 70s, they used to go back and forth about the spider pit in the old "Famous Monsters" magazine. They had people that swore that they saw "King Kong" in other countries, the Philippines come to mind, and the spider pit scene was in that version.

There is also "The Black Scorpion", where I have always read that the subterranean cavern creatures were reused from the spider pit scene.

There will probably be people that claim the article is mistaken and the scene actually was filmed.

David.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gord Green
Galactic Ambassador


Joined: 07 Oct 2014
Posts: 2341
Location: Buffalo, NY

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hum...Real physical evidence rather than just hearsay and opinion? That's an unimpeachable concept!
_________________
"Fire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Bud Brewster
Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)


Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 12652
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

________________________________

I seem to remember reading that some of the animation models in the cave scene from The Black Scorpion were created for the spider pit scene. Since O'Brien would probably have retained those models, it might be true.

If they were, I'm sure O'Brien had to repair them a bit after twenty years. The rubber would have deteriorated.

The Wikipedia article for The Black Scorpion has a few comments on the subject, but the info both encourages and discourages the notion that the models were created for King Kong. It even mentions the "decay" problem I just wrote about above! Very Happy
____________________________________________

The miniatures used for the trapdoor spider and the giant tentacled worm have been reported to be the same ones that were used in the now "Lost Spider Pit Sequence" from the original King Kong (1933). The trapdoor spider model matches precisely the smaller spider model seen in behind-the-scenes stills from King Kong.

Biographers, however, dispute whether O'Brien saved his models, and Ray Harryhausen's An Animated Life noted that many models used in Kong were still in storage at RKO in the 1950s, by which time many were decayed.

____________________________________________

The comment about the design similarities is easily explained by the fact the same person designed the one intended for Kong and the one later used in The Black Scorpion.

_________________
____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bud Brewster
Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)


Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 12652
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

________________________________

Not only are these BTW stills wonderful, the music is great too! Very Happy


_________ Behind the Scenes Photos: King Kong


__________

_________________
____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bud Brewster
Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)


Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 12652
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

________________________________

Johnnybear posed a fascinating question in the Might Joe Young thread, and I thought it needed to be shared here too as well. Here's the comment he made and the reply I offered.


johnnybear wrote:
Kong is able to climb the Empire State Building, but he can't just climb their wall? Think about it...

Johnny, I guess the two main differences between Kong climbing the Empire State Building and the native's wall was that the evenly-spaced window recessed into the Empire State Building were like the rungs on a giant ladder for Kong! And they were much deeper and sharp-edged than the tightly-fitted stones of the Skull Island wall.

Let's be fair here, folks — the face of this wall doesn't exactly look like an over-sized Monkey Bars, does it? Confused






But perhaps more importantly, Kong never had a strong reason to climb the wall! The natives didn't require "in-store pickup" . . . they always provided "curbside delivery"! Laughing
_________________
____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?


Last edited by Bud Brewster on Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pow
Galactic Ambassador


Joined: 27 Sep 2014
Posts: 1726
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some King Kong Fun Facts.

Producer Merian C.Cooper's vision was of a giant ape on top of the world's tallest building fighting airplanes. He then worked backwards from this image in order to develop the rest of the story.

The success of King Kong has been credited with saving R.K.O. Pictures from bankruptcy.

M.G.M. offered to purchase King Kong from RKO outright for the sum of one million dollars. They knew RKO was in deep financial trouble from having lost ten million dollars in 1932.
Little RKO wisely declined the much larger studio's offer.

King Kong doesn't appear on screen until 47-minutes into the movie.

Merian C.Cooper described the film when he was pitching it to actress Fay Wray by saying "You'll have the tallest, darkest leading man in Hollywood." Fay thought it would be Cary Grant.

As noted earlier, the jungle set was utilized for both King Kong & The Most Dangerous Game. Coincidentally, both films featured Fay Wray.

Only film to debut in the two largest theaters in NYC simultaneously: Radio City Music Hall & the Roxy.

The film originally came in at 13 reels. Merian C.Cooper was extremely superstitious about the number 13, he insisted another scene had to be shot in order to bring the movie at 14 reels. That scene was the elevated train sequence in NYC.

Executive Producer David O. Selznick was leaving RKO midway through the production of the movie. At this point the film was titled Kong. Selznick's last memo changed the title to King Kong.

King Kong's face on Skull Island is different from the one used in the NYC scenes. His island face was longer but filmmakers felt that it made the ape too human in appearance.

The battle between King Kong and the pterodactyl took seven weeks to shoot.

King Kong's roar was created via a combo of the roars of a lion and a tiger played backwards.

The Great Wall on Skull Island was a part of the Temple of Jerusalem set from the Cecil B. DeMille Biblical epic The King of Kings (1927).

The Great Wall was later redressed with Civil War-era building fronts for the epic burning of Atlanta scene from Gone With the Wind (1939).

King Kong's "official'' height is fifty-feet, but it is closer to nineteen-feet in the jungle scenes, twenty-five feet in the NYC scenes.

Every night, the King Kong models skins were removed in order for Marcel Delgado to tighten up the hinges on the metal armatures.

Alternative names for the film at various stages were: The Beast, The Eighth Wonder of the World, The Ape, King Ape, and Kong.

In 1991 King Kong was deemed ''culturally, historically, and aesthetically significant'' by the Library of Congress and selected for preservation in the National Film Registry.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bud Brewster
Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)


Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 12652
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pow wrote:
The film originally came in at 13 reels. Merian C.Cooper was extremely superstitious about the number 13, he insisted another scene had to be shot in order to bring the movie at 14 reels. That scene was the elevated train sequence in NYC.

Wow, that elevated train sequence turned out to be more than just "filler" to extend the movie! Very Happy

The tragedy is portrayed with shocking realism, right down to the way the passenger are shown falling to the low end of the detailed train car and crushing each other.
Sad
_________________
____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ALL SCI-FI Forum Index -> Sci-Fi Movies and Serials from 1900 to 1949 All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group