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Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tmlindsey wrote:
I guess that's ultimately it for me; I didn't think the original needed a sequel

Ah-ha, indeed! I getcha, pal. Very Happy

Our differing opinions now make perfect sense. I wanted a movie more like T2 when I saw The Terminator. I was dissatisfied. Sad

You, however, were completely satisfied with the original, so you viewed T2 as a rehash that simply gilded the lily. Rolling Eyes

Now all we have to do is figure out if toe-may-toes are vegetables, and toe-mah-toes are fruit!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In any case an eye opener for the prospect of when AI becomes self aware, and how these movies could be predictors of an inevitable future.

The Forbin Project

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

and even WarGames

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_2

And even the disturbing AI movie

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

Well there is a happy note to this.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just re-saw the whole franchise, and I think it goes downhill. The first one was pretty good given its budget, and the second is also fine, but the problem takes place for the second movies onward because all that they could do was retell the story using different variations, and based on the assumption that there are alternate timelines.

I think many knew this but I didn't until now. That is, I thought that all along that the second movie was a sequel, i.e., Skynet fails to kill Sarah in the first movie so they have to kill John in the second. But if John survived in the first movie, then Skynet would have been defeated, which means no more sequel. In which case, a sequel is possible because the second movie takes place in another timeline, which means it's not exactly a sequel. Okidoky.

Finally, for those interested in AI development, check out news on ChatGTP, etc. It's one of several apps that are now being used for various purposes, including writing academic papers, replacing customer and technical support, accounting, doing homework, write software code, financial management, market trading, tutoring, etc. It can even write poems (like Shakespearean sonnets), short stories and novels, movie scripts, and essays. Some say it's going to threaten lots of jobs:

https://www.businessinsider.com/chatgpt-jobs-at-risk-replacement-artificial-intelligence-ai-labor-trends-2023-02

And is likely now leading to widespread cheating in schools. For the latter, students probably don't realize that if they can use such to cheat in school, then future employers have no need to hire them because they can use the same tech to do work.

Some AI types can also now create audio, video, and graphics content, and recently became part of legal controversy, where the law argues that machine-created works can't be copyrighted because they're not made by human beings:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ai-created-images-lose-us-copyrights-test-new-technology-2023-02-22/

This is on top of various machines used in manufacturing, now operating in some airports to check in baggage and even handle immigration, and so on.

Meanwhile, what will businesses do when they realize that the workers they're replacing are also the customers they expect to pay for what they sell?

In any case, it looks like Skynet is on track, baby!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ralfy, your post is one of the most chilling messages we've ever had on All Sci-Fi!

It's obvious to any intelligent person that by allowing people to become lazier and less well educate — while machines get smarter — means we're breeding our own replacements!

That, of course, we one your most power points above.

I submit that people who can be fooled by fiction written by a computer are too stupid to recognize really good fiction written by a human.

Ralfy, the excerpts below from your post are especially well worded and insightful.


ralfy wrote:
And it's likely now leading to widespread cheating in schools. For the latter, students probably don't realize that if they can use such to cheat in school, then future employers have no need to hire them because they can use the same tech to do work.

Meanwhile, what will businesses do when they realize that the workers they're replacing are also the customers they expect to pay for what they sell?

In any case, it looks like Skynet is on track, baby!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ralfy wrote:
And is likely now leading to widespread cheating in schools. For the latter, students probably don't realize that if they can use such to cheat in school

Oh, they know it and are doing it. The anti-plagiarism software schools have been using for some time was used to test an AI-written essay (recently) and it only flagged two sentences as being suspicious. So the AP software is already starting to lag behind the potential cheaters.

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Meanwhile, what will businesses do when they realize that the workers they're replacing are also the customers they expect to pay for what they sell?

That would require businesses to look at the overall, long-term picture and not just immediate profits, which we know they won't do. Their solution to declining sales will be what it always is; raise prices, cut quantity/quality and run off more customers, then throw their hands in the air wondering why they keep losing money. Oh, and lay off employees to boost profits, obviously.
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