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bulldogtrekker · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:59 pm Post subject: Star Trek: Nemesis (2002)

by Nicole Berland, POPMATTERS

This article begins with a basic observation about the Star Trek timeline: that it ends.

Let me clarify. When Star Trek: The Original Series (hereafter TOS) aired in 1966, it was set in the year 2266, exactly 300 years into Earth's future. From there, the timeline jumped forward, with 1987's Star Trek: The Next Generation set in 2364, nearly a century after TOS. The franchise then continued at a steady pace through both Deep Space Nine and Voyager. Between the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation and the Voyager final, 14 years passed in the lives of Trek's characters and actors alike.

Then something funny happened. When Star Trek: Enterprise debuted in 2001, it looked back to Star Trek's past for its inspiration. The upcoming Star Trek: Discovery will likewise explore the Federation's origins, leaving Star Trek's future to play out only in our imaginations.

The franchise's filmic output tells a similar story. From 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture to 2002's Nemesis, each of Star Trek's initial ten films moved the Trek timeline forward, despite First Contact's foray to the 21st century. After Nemesis, however, the films also abandoned the Federation's future, opting instead for the high-octane, high-budget TOS reboots. Despite the fact that the Star Trek franchise continues to produce new content, the Star Trek timeline appears to have been closed.

My question, then, is simply: Why? What is it about this moment in time that renders the Star Trek franchise incapable, unwilling, or merely uninterested in envisioning its own future?....

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Bud Brewster · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:57 pm Post subject:

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I enjoyed this movie, and I own the DVD.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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Gord Green · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:45 pm Post subject:

Supposedly Gene Roddenberry's ANDROMEDA was the future of a STAR TREK "possible universe".

The story begins around a thousand years after the Federation was replaced by the Commonwealth and then jumps 300 years beyond that when anarchy had taken over.

Other than the posthumous contribution of Gene's notes there is no other real connection between the two except in conjecture.

Bud Brewster · Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:35 pm Post subject:

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I really enjoy the TNG movies, but Nemesis is generally considered to be the weakest of the four. Today, I enjoyed a triple feature of First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis and decided to list my major objections to the last one.

I doubt if I'll get any arguments on these points, but I'm sure a few more criticisms will be added.

Criticisms #1 - The ridiculous low-tech dune buggy used on the planet where the Data prototype was found

In the 23rd century, the idea that an Away Team would bounce around on a planet with extremely rough terrain in a four-wheeled vehicle after arriving in an advanced shuttle craft is ridiculous.

What were the the filmmakers thinking?

Criticism #2 - The inclusion of a character who is a clone of Picard, and yet who is dying because of the way he was cloned.

We're presented with a sort of "son" of Picard — but he hates Picard and wants to destroy him. Even the Romulans don't approve of the kid's animosity . . . so the whole "conflict" of the story is muddled. Rolling Eyes

Criticism #3- The Enterprise determines that Shinzon plans to use the powerful starship called the Scimitar to invade the Federation, using its thalaron radiation generator to eradicate all life on Earth.

I read the Wikipedia plot summary, and I still can't figure out why the villain wants to wipe out all life on Earth.

Oh well . . . Rolling Eyes

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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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ralfy · Mission Specialist Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 495

Check out the intro of the Scimitar and the music here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1BnyUANoHo

Krel · Space Ranger Joined: 19 Feb 2023 Posts: 181

tmlindsey · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:41 pm Post subject:

Pow · Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:21 am Post subject:

Jonathan Frakes: "We had John Logan who's an A-list writer. We had what was a great company back together again. Tom Hardy was a brilliant guest star. My take it on it, though, was there was not enough of the family. It was a little too much of Shinzon and not enough of Picard and Data. The front end of Nemesis' was the wedding of Riker and Troi and which was so charming and it just got cut to bits. We originally had Whoopi Goldberg and Wil Wheaton and all these Easter eggs in there, and Brent Spiner sang. It was a big deal that got cut up to nothing."

"It didn't help that director Stuart Baird was trying to reinvent the wheel. I called him and said if there's anything I can do to help you, let me know. I've been around these people for years, we're really here to help you. In retrospect, it seems like arrogance. Why wouldn't you accept that kind of offer?'

Marina Sirtis, "The director was an idiot."