 |
ALL SCI-FI The place to “find your people.”
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 17637 Location: North Carolina
|
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:50 pm Post subject: Unnatural (1952 West Germany) |
|
|
________
* The poster is very appealing. I'd like to see other works of art by the person who created it.
Also released as "Alraune".
Obscure West German film whose basic premise implies that if a human is conceived by artificial insemination they would have no soul (!).
Erich von Stroheim plays the scientist who conducts an experiment in artificial insemination. Hildegarde Neff is the "unnatural" woman he creates. The concept seems illogical unless you accept the film's premise that the soul is "created" by the two mating partners at the same instant the egg is fertilized.
Directed by Arthur Maria Rabenalt.
Regardless of how one feels about the concept of souls, (whether they exist, how they're created, etc.), it's actually not that hard to believe that some people have souls and others do not.
Religious views aside (if that's possible, given the subject matter) I sometimes wonder if the truly evil people in this world differ from the more humane folks for just this reason.
After all, if souls do exist, they form a kind of symbiosis with the physical body. Religions claim that the body dies, but the soul keeps going and going like that unstoppable bionic Lepus.
If souls do exist and we're just a teeny bit wrong about who made them (God), along with the idea that everybody has one (like a guarantee from the manufacturer), then maybe some folks do have souls and some folks don't.
It would certainly explain a lot about the world we live in, eh? _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
Last edited by Bud Brewster on Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:05 pm; edited 9 times in total |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
scotpens Space Sector Commander

Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 919 Location: The Left Coast
|
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Unnatural (1952 West Germany) |
|
|
Wiki has some interesting info on the original 1911 novel, the medieval legend that inspired it, the various film versions and the story's influence on other media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alraune
In the novel, Alraune's mother is a prostitute whom the scientist artificially impregnates with the seed of an executed murderer. (No, I don't know how he obtained it -- and I don't think I want to. )
Bud Brewster wrote: | Regardless of how one feels about the concept of souls, (whether they exist, how they're created, etc.), it's actually not that hard to believe that some people have souls and others do not. |
Well, some people definitely have soul.
 |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 17637 Location: North Carolina
|
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
______________________________________________
"Right on, brother!" (Hey, look! A Ray Charles emoji!") _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
WadeVC Astral Engineer

Joined: 06 Aug 2024 Posts: 255 Location: Pioneer, CA
|
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Unnatural (1952 West Germany) |
|
|
Bud Brewster wrote: | Obscure West German film whose basic premise implies that if a human is conceived by artificial insemination they would have no soul (!). |
What an interesting concept. But if one thinks about it, would it not be true?
If man (and our souls) were created by God (or a diety of some sort), would it not be contrued to believe that a human created in a lab would be bereft of a soul?
What an interesting concept that could lead to some interesting discussion. _________________ "You look like a pooped out pinwheel."
-Robot Monster |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 17637 Location: North Carolina
|
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
______________________________________________
A fascinating question, Brother Wade!
If test tube babies are given a soul by God — then, by god, He must condone the conception!
But if God does NOT condone it, and He therefore does not bequeath the individual with a soul . . . does that mean such a person would be free to sin their ass off and never worry about going to hell?
After all, animals have no souls — so if a buck deer kills a hunter, it didn't break the sixth command (Thou shalt not kill), it just did unto the man what the man wanted to do unto IT!
Following that crazy line of thinking, Satan would have no interest in test tube baby/people, because they can't sell their souls to the devil, simply because they ain't go one to sell!
Folks, if that ain't nutty enough for you, how 'bout this?
Siamese twins are caused by two embryos that are joined together during fertilization. But suppose one embryo gets a sperm from Daddy, while they other one is artificially inseminated?
Would one twin have a soul . . . while the other one be "soulless"?
Imagine a horror movie with that premise.
On second thought . . . try NOT to think about.  _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
WadeVC Astral Engineer

Joined: 06 Aug 2024 Posts: 255 Location: Pioneer, CA
|
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
Bud Brewster wrote: | Folks, if that ain't nutty enough for you, how 'bout this?
Siamese twins are caused by two embryos that are joined together during fertilization. But suppose one embryo gets a sperm from Daddy, while they other one is artificially inseminated?
Would one twin have a soul . . . while the other one be "soulless"?
Imagine a horror movie with that premise.
On second thought . . . try NOT to think about.  |
Could you imagine that premise put in the hands of Wes Craven or Ridley Scott!! _________________ "You look like a pooped out pinwheel."
-Robot Monster |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
WadeVC Astral Engineer

Joined: 06 Aug 2024 Posts: 255 Location: Pioneer, CA
|
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
Bud Brewster wrote: | After all, animals have no souls — so if a buck deer kills a hunter, it didn't break the sixth command (Thou shalt not kill), it just did unto the man what the man wanted to do unto IT! |
But do animals have souls? It's a matter of perspective.
Whether animals have souls depends on the perspective, and there are different views on the subject:
Catholic Answers
Animals have souls, but not in the same way as humans. Human souls are rational and spiritual, while animal souls are not.
Aish.com
All living things, including animals, have souls, but not all souls are equal. Humans have a "nefesh" and a "neshama", while animals only have a "nefesh". The "neshama" is a divine spark that distinguishes humans from animals.
Niles Animal Hospital & Bird Medical Center
A veterinarian believes that animals have souls and deserve to be in Heaven.
GotQuestions.org
The Bible does not explicitly state whether animals have souls, but it does state that both humans and animals have the "breath of life".
So, do animals (and even humans) have souls?
This seems to be an answer based not on science fact or philosophical reason, but religious perspective.
If one believes in God (or a divine being), then they would be inclined to think souls do exist. The non-believer would not...sometimes.
There are atheist groups and individuals who, lacking a belief in God or religion, do believe that living beings (animals, humans) do have souls.
Fascinating train of thought and concept. _________________ "You look like a pooped out pinwheel."
-Robot Monster |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 17637 Location: North Carolina
|
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
______________________________________________
A globe-hopping explorer traveled to a remote Tibetan monastery and was granted an audience with the Dalai Lama. He asked the wise old man a question that had troubled him his whole life.
"Your Holiness . . . I must know! Do souls exist — and if so, are they possessed by all things created?"
The Dalai Lama lama smiled and said, "Yes, my son, souls do exist."
With desperate eagerness, the man said, "But what about the second part of my question?"
The old man leaned closer and spoke in a low, intense voice.
"The answer, my son, is that . . . shoes have souls. But socks
. . . do not." _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|