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This Island Earth (1955)
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Gord Green
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud, your story reminded me of what happened around 45 years ago. My son (then 5 years old.) came home from church and proudly showed us a picture he had made.

There was a Nativity scene showing Angels, shepherds, and Mary, Joseph and a baby Jesus ….AND... a fat eyepatch wearing peg legged pirate!

I told him what a great picture it was...but...what's the pirate doing there?

He said "That's Round John Virgin!".

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Arrrr me laddie, that's a pippin' good yarn ya told there! That son of yars is smart as new paint, he is — make no mistake about that! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krel wrote:
I read in a book back in the 80s, that Universal didn't like the original Metaluna scenes and so had them reshot. They were directed by Jack Arnold as a favor to the studio. The book didn't say if they reused the original sets, or had new ones made.

Do any of the sources that mention the fact that Jack Arnold reshot the Metaluna scenes indicate just what scenes they were?

The scenes actually on Metaluna consist of these:

* the arrival when they step out of the elevator

* the shuttle car ride to the Monitor's building

* the meeting with the Monitor

* the first encounter with the mutant

* the ride back in the shuttle

* the encounter at the elevator with the wounded mutant.

Concerning the sets, there's really only four. (1) the elevator door (two scenes filmed there), (2) the shuttle (two scenes also), (3) the Monitor's room, and (4) the area where the first mutant is encountered.

My question is this: was the problem with the original versions of those scenes just with the way the actors were playing the scenes, or was it something else?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I showed this film to my two kids a while back and they found it very boring! My son also said that of Quatermass And The Pit!!! I do wonder when they'll grow up sometimes...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had that problem with my son, once. I found out later there'd been a mix-up at the hospital . . . Sad

Just kidding! Laughing

Don't despair, JB. We can't expect kids from a later generation to react to the movies we loved the same way we did. Each generation has its own unique culture, and the movies reflect that culture.

The photography, the editing, the acting, and the special effects — they all evolved over the years, and meanwhile the world changes even more! Much of what used to be science fiction is now part of our reality.

I'm typing this on a computer the size of a thin coffee table book, but it has more computing power than the most advanced in the world when I was eight years old and sitting at a drive-in, watching Earth vs the Flying Saucers and stupefied by the special effects.

My memories of the occasion my have blossomed a bit over the years. Very Happy






I've shared it with my kids when they were very young, and they've shared it with my grandkids. They're all fond of it, but their favorites now are modern movies which were created for their generation.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orzel-w wrote:
Bud Brewster wrote:
If the ship's hull was just being superheated by the air friction...

Common misconception carried with us throughout life from old wives' tales fed to us in childhood. It's not friction from the air, but rather compression of the air that heats up bodies traveling faster than sound. You can make (or buy) fire starters that work on the same principle.

Well now, there seems to be two schools of thought on that subject. Confused

A site called How Stuff Works agrees with you.
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When the meteor hits the atmosphere, the air in front of it compresses incredibly quickly. When a gas is compressed, its temperature rises. This causes the meteor to heat up so much that it glows.
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However, I was surprised by what the Nation Geographic site says! Shocked
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When a meteoroid enters the Earth’s upper atmosphere, it heats up due to friction from the air.
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And the NASA webisite called Space Place concurs with this.
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The meteors make it through the exosphere and thermosphere without much trouble because those layers don't have much air. But when they hit the mesosphere, there are enough gases to cause friction and create heat.
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But wait a minute! The Harvard Center for Astrophysic sides with you, too! Sad
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When a meteoroid (small asteroid) enters the atmosphere, it compresses the air in front of it. That compression heats the air, which in turn heats the object, causing it to glow and vaporize.
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This is mighty curious, because the two reputable sites that say friction is the cause of meteors burning up — both NASA and National Geographic — ought to know what they're talking about! Confused

Wow, now I honestly don't know what to think! We all know that friction does cause heat, but I'm also convinced that compressed gases cause exactly what the two other sites describe.

Ah-ha . . . here's a thought. Perhaps BOTH of those situations are true! Wink

I can't think of any reason why the compressed, super-heated gas would not AlSO cause friction against the surface of the meteor. Could that be the reason we're getting two different answers?

I Googled the question "Which causes meteors to burn up: friction or gas compression?" and here's what I learned from a site called Stack Exchange in their section called Physics.
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Question: When an object (like a meteor) falls through the atmosphere towards the Earth, why does it start to heat up and glow? Is it because of the compressed air in front of it or because of drag?

Answer: It is both.

The air compressed in front of an object entering the atmosphere generates heat. This causes a loss of kinetic energy in the object which is a form of drag.

Meteors are moving very fast when they enter the Earth's atmosphere. The frictional forces generated by the collisions with molecules of the atmosphere are responsible for the heating.

Friction and especially compression of the air in front with the air heats up the meteor . . .
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And so, Wayne, with all due respect to you, the notion that friction burns up meteors is actually NOT just a "common misconception carried with us throughout life from old wives' tales fed to us in childhood."

Ah well, live and learn, eh? Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I rarely go to Facebook anymore, but tonight I noticed that they had displayed a photo on my timeline which I'd posted on January 19th, 2014, a little over five years ago, which shows my long-time friend and fellow artist, Jim Peavy, at a convention with star Rex Reason!






Jim is the guy shown in the photos below in the 1980s during a "movie night" with our friends, during which we watched This Island Earth. The young man with Jim is Chris Adams, who was wearing Metallunan make up designed and applied by Jim.







And these photos show our fellow friend, Larry Hanson, who created a cake in the shape of Earth, which had a tiny saucer suspended above it on a thin string.







By the way, the cake had a "molten core" filled with strawberry ice cream! We asked Larry how the heck he managed to bake a cake which had strawberry ice cream in the middle. He explained how he did it.

If any body wants to know the secret . . . just ask me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
Question: When an object (like a meteor) falls through the atmosphere towards the Earth, why does it start to heat up and glow? Is it because of the compressed air in front of it or because of drag?

Answer: It is both.

The air compressed in front of an object entering the atmosphere generates heat. This causes a loss of kinetic energy in the object which is a form of drag.

Meteors are moving very fast when they enter the Earth's atmosphere. The frictional forces generated by the collisions with molecules of the atmosphere are responsible for the heating.

Friction and especially compression of the air in front with the air heats up the meteor . . .

I recall reading an article somewhere, years ago, that meteors are actually cold when they become meteorites (when they hit Earth). The reason given was that after they slow down sufficiently in the atmosphere, they're going slow enough that air compression and drag become relatively negligible, and that the cold air cools them off the rest of the way down.

I suspect that the cooling effect depends on the size/weight/initial speed of the meteorite.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmmm . . . that seems a bit less than logical, since falling objects don't slow down as the fall, they speed up. (Up to a certain point). The colored text below are the answers to my Googled questions on the subject.
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As an object falls, its speed increases because it's being pulled on by gravity. The acceleration of gravity near the earth is g = -9.81 m/s^2. To find out something's speed (or velocity) after a certain amount of time, you just multiply the acceleration of gravity by the amount of time since it was let go of.
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Admittedly there is a "top speed" that objects reach as they fall, when gravitational pull and air resistance balance.
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Near the surface of the Earth, an object in free fall in a vacuum will accelerate at approximately 9.8 m/s2, independent of its mass. With air resistance acting on an object that has been dropped, the object will eventually reach a terminal velocity, which is around 53 m/s (195 km/h or 122 mph) for a human skydiver.
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Of course, the statement above applies to an object that starts at zero mph and begins to fall. Naturally, meteors have a sizeable head start! Smile

So, even though a meteorite will stop accelerating at some point, we all know that by that time it's white hot and just seconds away from hitting the ground.

The notion that it could cool down very much in that small amount of time doesn't seem reasonable. Very Happy
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Re-entry temperatures can reach as high as 3,000 degrees F!


___ Five most dramatic meteors caught on camera


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
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So, even though a meteorite will stop accelerating at some point, we all know that by that time it's white hot and just seconds away from hitting the ground.

The notion that it could cool down very much in that small amount of time doesn't seem reasonable.
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I think it's more like a few minutes, not a few seconds, after reaching terminal velocity (Maybe ~10 miles/minute) that most meteorites hit the ground.

I found many interesting things about meteorites, including the following information, at
https://www.amsmeteors.org/fireballs/faqf/#9 :

"Are meteorites “glowing” hot when they reach the ground?

"Probably not. The ablation process, which occurs over the majority of the meteorite’s path, is a very efficient heat removal method, and was effectively copied for use during the early manned space flights for re-entry into the atmosphere. During the final free-fall portion of their flight, meteorites undergo very little frictional heating, and probably reach the ground at only slightly above ambient temperature.

"For the obvious reason, however, exact data on meteorite impact temperatures is rather scarce and prone to hearsay. Therefore, we are only able to give you an educated guess based upon our current knowledge of these events."
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alltare wrote:
I suspect that the cooling effect depends on the size/weight/initial speed of the meteorite.

I read the interesting article. Thanks, alltare.

I overlooked the fact that you've been talking about the smaller meteorites which don't acquire as much heat as a large ones. And the fact that you stated that "meteors are actually cold when they become meteorites (when they hit Earth)" was a bit hard to accept. Confused

The article does state that a

The video I posted demonstrates that large meteors get white hot and hang to that heat much longer than small ones. But, as you stated, "the size/weight/initial speed of the meteorite" make the situation very different.

I stand corrected, sir. Very Happy

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1080p version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtggY_tfjWs
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
I would love to see a remake, but instead of re-making the original movie go back to the original novel for inspiration!




That dust jacket was still on the cover of the novel This Island Earth, when I checked the book out of a local library in early 1965.
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Thinking Outside the "Plot"!
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~ A Question for the Members: Would Earth be in danger from a Zagon attack after they destroyed the humanoid civilization on Metaluna and all the inevitable colonies that a spacefaring race would have?

~ My Theory: Based on the maniacal hatred the Zagons had for the Metalunans (despite the peace efforts Exeter said they'd made), I think they'd attack Earth!

The Zagons would assume Earth was an alley of Metaluna because of the various research facility run by Metlunans (like Exetor and Brack) and employing top Earth scientists.

Just how would they know about this? From intercepted messages between Earth and Metaluna, via interocitor!

I wish the movie hadn't been so thorough about saying there was no leftover technology from the Metalunans. But if the sequel included a saucer which arrives with Metalunan fugitives from a colony world (seeking asylum and hoping to warn us about the Zagons) that would allow Earth to make use of Metaluna's advanced technology to get ready for the Zagon attack.



(I just tossed this out to encourage a discussion. I hope we get one.)

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