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Bud Brewster
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a confession. I'm almost glad Donald won.

Apparently the only way we're all going to learn if Trump is intelligent and courageous and dedicated to the well-being of the American people, or . . . the half-coherent hand-waving wacko he acts like in every speech and debate he's ever delivered . . . is to put him in the White House and see what happens.

Krel voiced his views. These are mine. The sad thing is that if [i[I'm[/i] right about Trump, we'll all suffer for it. Not just the folks who voted for him and lived to regret it.

Let's just wait and see. I don't think it will take very long.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orzel-w wrote:
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True. The right-wingers just threaten to riot if they lose, which is more intimidating, since they're the ones who own the guns.


Oh...my mistake.

I've been watching TV and seeing rioters on the streets in San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Portland. Tempe and Philadelphia.

I had incorrectly assumed that these people were anti-Trump sore losers. I had not realized that they were actually right wing rabble rousers.

Let me plead with all of those gun toting conservatives now flooding the the streets of your big cities to please stop making fools of yourselves. Please return to your homes and follow the lead of liberals and graciously accept the results of the democratic process.
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MetroPolly
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know sarcasm when I read it, bub.

That said, I would've been right there protesting myself, except protests in my neck of the woods tend to bring out the vandals and something ends up on fire.

I would also like to add that that moron winning (I'm still sniffling over it) has spurred people in CA to seriously consider splitting from the rest of the country. Mind you, this isn't the only reason, but it was sure the last straw. I might not have to move to Canada.

And before you can tell me good riddance,brent, I'll be glad to go.
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orzel-w
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brent Gair wrote:
orzel-w wrote:
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True. The right-wingers just threaten to riot if they lose, which is more intimidating, since they're the ones who own the guns.


Oh...my mistake.

I've been watching TV and seeing rioters on the streets in San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Portland. Tempe and Philadelphia.

I had incorrectly assumed that these people were anti-Trump sore losers. I had not realized that they were actually right wing rabble rousers.

I can understand your confusion over this, Brent. You see, if Hillary had won, it would have been Trump supporters in the streets. As it is, with Trump winning, the right-wingers have no reason to be out there. But they did threaten to do so had Trump lost. In fact, it was Trump who hinted at it. The left-wing demonstrations are merely a bit more ad hoc in nature.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud,

I was so pissed off at your initial posts yesterday that I decided to wait a day before posting the following, which I have toned down considerably from my first reaction:

You have gone on a couple of other political rants in the past week or so, and it looks like you're not going to stop. It's your web site, and you can do with it what you wish, but I didn't come here to be insulted, and I don't appreciate being called a "stupid" "unintelligent" "sap". Your grossly uninformed opinions are obviously affected by a too rich diet of slanted media reporting and simple blindness to the facts. I find it amazing that you could give so much attention to Trump's alleged transgressions, none of which have been proven, and at the same time completely ignore the PROVEN lies, corruption, and outright treachery of Clinton:

Trump didn't expose top secret documents to the eyes of hackers and foreign governments, but Clinton did, and she ought to be cooling her heels in prison for it.

Trump didn't lie to congress, but Clinton swore to them that all of her deleted classified emails were just conversations with her daughter about yoga.

Trump didn't cause the death of Chris Stevens, our ambassador to Libya, but Clinton ordered the military to stand down from defending him, even after he repeatedly asked for support. He is now dead after being tortured, and several others met the same fate. Clinton lied about the Benghazi attack, blaming it on an unknown filmmaker who made an unknown film, while knowing all along that it was actually an organized assault by terrorists.

Trump didn't force upon us an agreement with Iran that guarantees them the bomb in 10 years, but Clinton and the clown in the White House did.

Clinton would have placed socialist judges in the Supreme Court. Trump will protect our constitution with conservative appointees.

So don't give me that crap about what a loser Trump is. And hey, Bud, when was the last time you paid MORE federal taxes than you were legally required to pay?

Please note, Bud, that I haven't lowered myself to referring to you in derogatory terms. I will appreciate it if you'll adopt a similar attitude toward your subscribers in the future.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To protest about a real or perceived injustice is noble.
To protest because you didn't get your way is whining.

No matter who would have won.....In a democracy the people decide.

Now hold their feet to the fire and watch diligently. Critciize when appropriate and work hard to change what you think is wrong.

But...Don't threaten to take your ball and go home.
We're better than that.
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orzel-w
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would have preferred Sanders. But since we didn't get that option, I went with somebody who at least had ample political experience. Trump couldn't be accused of political sins because he wasn't involved in politics. He just had a laundry list of "unproven" civil transgressions. (For instance, he didn't really default on paying any of his contractual obligations, now, did he?)

Since we're so poorly equipped to predict the future (the weather forecasters for my region can't foresee five days out accurately), all there is to do now is wait and see. I'll watch over the course of the next four years to see how I feel about this turn of events by then. And I'll be wanting to hear how you feel about it, too.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protesting the results of a democratic election is both sad and hilarious.

On the one hand, it's a huge indictment of the way children are raised and educated. The display of ignorance is almost unimaginable. I think it flows from two fundamental flaws. In the most basic terms, there are a lot of people who are just too stupid to understand how the system of government works. They are idiots. The second flaw is in the generation raised in the age of "participation ribbons" where everybody gets an award and nobody ever loses. They don't understand that the system provides for only one winning candidate. There is no silver medal for finishing second. You only get to pick your favorite DURING the election. After the election, there is ONE president for all Americans and chanting "Not my President" is no more effective than chanting "Bippity boppity boo".

On the other hand, be honest, watching a bunch of chanting dimwits is pretty damn entertaining. It's one of those rare opportunities when you can laugh at the mentally deficient without feeling guilty. I burst out laughing when one of the protesters told a reporter, "I hope he get impeached" (not a typo... "I hope he get impeached"). While illiteracy is not usually considered funny, sometimes you have to laugh.

This further illustrates a long term problem for the Democrats. They are collecting a bunch of political bottom-feeders. As regular people see this herd of wackjobs on TV every night, they are probably more and more thankful that Trump was elected president. Every moment of coverage for this group just further diminishes Obama and Clinton.

The Democratic Party establishment formed this coalition for their electoral benefit. It was no accident that they preyed on those who aren't too bright and could be easily manipulated. Having lost the election, this coalition has been loosed on an unsuspecting public. I realize the Democrats now have no leader but somebody in that party needs to round up that pathetic zoo and put them back in their cages until 2020.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
Krel voiced his views. These are mine. The sad thing is that if I'm right about Trump, we'll all suffer for it. Not just the folks who voted for him and lived to regret it.

Well, we've been suffering for the last eight years, if you right, I'm sure we can survive four more. And maybe, just maybe we won't loose any Ambassadors, or personal through willful, calculated inaction, followed by baldfaced lies about the cause.

David.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More of those rioting "right-wingers" (from Portland Live):

"Demonstrators protesting the election of Donald Trump as the 45th president gathered Thursday in Portland for the third straight night.

Portland police, citing "extensive criminal and dangerous behavior," declared the protest a riot at 8:30 p.m. The bureau said it warned the crowd about the designation, then tweeted that rioting is a class C felony.

About 9 p.m., the bureau tweeted: "Crowd throwing projectiles at police. Significant damage to area car lot." Police in riot gear began assembling downtown as the crowd moved west along Northeast Broadway toward the Broadway Bridge.

At least 19 cars at Toyota of Portland on Broadway were damaged. A sales manager said rioters jumps on them and smashed car glass.

Shortly before 9:30 p.m., police tweeted that the crowd was smashing windows of Pearl District businesses. They said loud bangs being heard were fireworks being set off by protesters.

Among the signs seen during the march: "Oppression thrives off isolation. Stand united." "We reject the fascist agenda." "You're fired!"

Halim Byron said he decided to join in the latest protest partly because he believes Trump flouts convention — and then flaunts it.
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Good to see the remnants of the Democrat brain trust doing the angel's work of protecting democracy. Your parents and teachers did a good job by producing such intelligent, thoughtful, civic-minded citizens. Bravo to you, Halim Byron. Bravo.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the federal level we're not a democracy; we're a republic. A democracy decides issues by popular vote. A republic decides issues through representatives of the populace (for example: Senators, Congressional Representatives, the electoral college). It was set up this way intentionally to remove governmental control from the whims of the masses.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aww, I looked up Nellie the Elephant on Wikipedia, and found that the song's fame is Britain-specific - no wonder I didn't get any reaction to its lyrics! "The rhythm and tempo of this song is often used to teach people the rhythm of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR)."

The song is, of course, on YouTube - here!

Trump, trump, trump... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krel wrote:
Well, we've been suffering for the last eight years, if you right, I'm sure we can survive four more.

For the last eight years we've been suffering at the hands of an obstructionist Republican Congress. In the next four years we'll see what an unfettered GOP can do.

Bend over and smile. You'll be feeling this way beyond four years.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alltare wrote:
I didn't come here to be insulted, and I don't appreciate being called a "stupid" "unintelligent" "sap". Your grossly uninformed opinions are obviously affected by a too rich diet of slanted media reporting and simple blindness to the facts. I find it amazing that you could give so much attention to Trump's alleged transgressions, none of which have been proven, and at the same time completely ignore the PROVEN lies, corruption, and outright treachery of Clinton.

Well heck, again I have to apologize. You've made me realize that I crossed the line and made insulting remarks.

Expressing opinions is fine, but delivering personal insults in unacceptable.

You also made me realize that I am indeed uninformed concerning Clinton. Even though Trump is dangerously unqualified to be president, that doesn't mean Clinton is a good choice. I accept that she is at least equally bad, and perhaps (as you've stated) even worse.

The truly guilty parties in this debacle are not the voters who put Trump in the White House, it's the Democrats and the Republicans who gave us two unacceptable choices for president.

Clearly the nation agrees with you, Steve, because everyone voted for who they considered the "lesser of two evils" — not for the better of two good choices.

Please let me say again how sorry I am that my emotions caused me to insult you (and other members, I'm sure) with the wording of my messages.

For the record, I went low . . . and you went high. Ironic, ain't it. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orzel-w wrote:
For the last eight years we've been suffering at the hands of an obstructionist Republican Congress. In the next four years we'll see what an unfettered GOP can do.

Yes, people that insist on following the laws of the nation and the Constitution can be such a pain to those trying to subvert them.

But have no fear about the GOP being unfettered. If the past has shown anything, it is that the Democrats are the aces of, and excel at obstructionism.

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