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Robert (Butch) Day
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three Missed postings; this picture from Göreme — the "tent rocks" between Çavuşin and Avanos: (Çavuşin is a village in the district of Avanos in Nevşehir Province in the Cappadocia region of Turkey. It is on the road between Avanos and Göreme, about five kilometers north of Göreme.)



Çavuşin rock castle:



Özkonak underground city ruins:



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there were more risk takers in Hollywood they'd realize the futility of remaking classic films in any genre.

What they need to do is look at films that had terrific concepts but for whatever reasons were executed poorly.

Remake those films and make them better.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
I'll say one thing for the plans for a remake — the concept art by Syd Mead is stunning!



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I know this post has been here for a while, but every time I see those last (CG) images it reminds me of something that bothers me on this board, and that's the side-by-side placement of production art with fan art without drawing any distinction. Mead's actual work are those ink renderings, the CG is someone else modeling his ground vehicle, and the final image is the same alongside a saucer that has nothing to do with Mead's work. If those images were called out as "CG rendering inspired by Mead's designs" there would be no issue, but to those who don't know they're going to assume those images are also "the concept art by Syd Mead". I think this kind of thing only muddies the water of the actual history of these films.

But, hey, that's like my opinion, man.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I apologize for the error. I didn't realize the CGI versions were not also by Mead himself. Thanks for clarifying that.

However, my point was simply that if a Forbidden Planet remake used designs like these, it would look fantastic — and that's what the CGI versions illustrate so beautifully.

As you pointed out, I mistakenly attributed all the artwork to Sid Mead. I realize now that Sid's design for the spaceship isn't even a saucer shape. It's the ship shown in the first image above, which looks like this when seen from overhead.



(I like the saucer much better. Very Happy)

By the way, who rendered the CG versions? I'd like to see more of his work.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could not find those CG renderings. Once Google lobotomized its image search it's become much harder to find the origin of images.

Anyway I was using that post as an example of stuff I see all over the board. In this era of CG and photo manipulation one has be be a bit skeptical of what an image supposedly is and what it's provenance is.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert (Butch) Day wrote:
Here is the ship set from the 1993 filming:



The same company (Corlind) almost got the money to remake their remake in 1997.[...]

Might I ask the origin of this photo?

I am asking because I did a little deep Googling last night and could find no reference to Corlind and Forbidden Planet. A lot of web pages update their content and information disappears (hence the reason the Internet Archive was founded), so I'd be curious what information does exist about this.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, speaking frankly, anything from Robert "Butch" Day is apt to be questionable. For the last twelve years he has made statements on All Sci-Fi that have proven blatantly false. Sad

For example, he's made numerous claims to be close friends with Bill Malone. He's told us that he's had dinner at Malone's house, been allowed to operate Robby's control panel, and received valuable gifts from Bill — such as an original blaster from Forbidden Planet!

After doubting such outrageous clams for years, I sent this question on Facebook to Bill Malone several weeks ago.



I received this answer recently.



In a recent PM, I confronted Butch with this damning information, and his reply was typically evasive. He didn't address the fact that I had yet again proved he had lied to members of All Sci-Fi, he just avoided the main issue and accused Bill Malone of making false statements, while throwing in a lot of superfulous data that was probably false.

Here's Butch's answer to me by PM.
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AS to Bill's reply. the friend was no friend of mine. Her name was Mary Hamberger and she was a Hollywood starlet wanna-be who attached herself to Bill during PSST Con I in 1976 (where Robby was supposed to appear but the trucking company Bill contracted sent Robby by train as it was cheaper so they could steal from Bill the 'saved' cost of transport. Robby was stuck in a locked railroad yard during the entire convention). Mary eventually died of a brain tumor caused by a drug overdose two years after she left him.
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So, based on Butch's own words, his association with Bill Malone was a casual relationship back in 1976 — 43 years ago — which involved no visits to Bill Malone's house and no expensive gifts, like a prop from Forbidden Planet.

All his claims to be Mr. Malone's close friend have been complete lies. Sad

Butch actually called me today and asked me to unlock the Forbidden Plant script thread so he could add to it. I told him I didn't want him to contribute any more of his questionable posts to that thread . . . or any others.

I informed him that I was willing to deactivate his All Sci-Fi membership to prevent him from logging on and insulting the members with more of his fraudulent claims.

Butch quickly ended the conversation by simply saying, "Okay. Good bye."

He knew I was no longer willing to allow him to pollute this board with his lies. In view of this conversation and others, I don't think Butch will return.

For the record, about a year ago Butch left for a few months after I sent him several PMs which proved he had lied repeatedly to us in numerous posts he'd made. But after four months, I felt sorry for him and called to say he could return to ASF . . . IF he promised not to posts more lies to our members.

For the last few months, Butch has kept his promise . . . but recently he's returned to his old ways. He's even logged on to All Sci-Fi in Eadie's name (Butch is her Godfather and legal guardian) to avoid having his comments doubted because of his bad reputation.

I regret the loss of such a long-time member . . . but Butch has damaged the integrity of All Sci-Fi for over a decade, and I can no longer allow that to happen.

We'll miss Butch . . . but he has brought this upon himself.

For the record, I found out several months ago (from Butch himself) that he had been banned from the board known as Nautilus Submarine, and he has not even been allowed to re-register! Shocked

And so, folks, I don't think we'll be seeing Butch on this board again. He has repeatedly abused the privileges afforded to all our members, and he has been discouraged from posting on this board, the same way he has from other boards as well! Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maurice wrote:
Might I ask the origin of this photo?

I am asking because I did a little deep Googling last night and could find no reference to Corlind and Forbidden Planet. A lot of web pages update their content and information disappears (hence the reason the Internet Archive was founded), so I'd be curious what information does exist about this.

A couple of years back there were E-Bay auctions of items from the 93 remake, photos, some film, posters. That was one of the photos, so it is probably from that auction.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the other items from that auction.

The principle shooting had been done, but the post and effects were never completed.

Some items from the "bible"-

















The costumes from the failed remake --









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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you can see famed screenwriter Stirling Silliphant wrote the script for the '93 remake.



"After a nine-year absence, Silliphant returned to features with his adaptation (co-written with Kirk Ellis) of Truman Capote's autobiographical novel "The Grass Harp" (1995). Directed by Charles Matthau and starring Piper Laurie and Sissy Spacek, the film is a gentle comedy about a young boy sent to live with his eccentric aunts.

He has also contributed to the screenplay for Irvin Kershner's remake of the sci-fi classic "Forbidden Planet" (scheduled for release in 1996).
New Line had ("Forbidden Planet remake"). James Cameron, Nelson Gidding and Stirling Silliphant have been associated with the remake over the years.

In 1953, Silliphant made his big-screen debut producing and writing "The Joe Louis Story." He freelanced for large and small studios and after producing and writing a number of crime and action films, he had his first classic with the sci-fi thriller "Village of the Damned" (screenplay, 1960), the eerie story of alien children. Silliphant won a Best Screenplay Oscar for the tense racial drama, "In the Heat of the Night" (1967), and was lauded for his adaptations of "Charly" (1968), "Marlowe" (1969) "The New Centurions" (1972), and "The Killer Elite" (1975)."

Now, THAT'S a script i'd really like to read!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some more images. Some are related to the '94 remake and others to the J. Michael Strazynski proposal with James Cameron in 2008.























And just to get traditional....Here's Robby on tour!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wonderful post, Gord! Cool

I noticed that the picture above is not the real Robby. The crown of the dome is too rounded, the sample hopper door is not shaped right, and the chest is too straight on the sides (just to name a few differences.)

It does seem to be a photo from the 1950s or 1960s, but this is a Robby copy by somebody other than Bill Malone.



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Bud, this looks like the one sent on tour in the 50's. We've seen some from London before, but this one looks like it's from Austrailia (Note the signage just above Robby's "eye" on the left of the picture).

But this brings up another question....Whatever happened to this alternate Robby?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:


So, as regards this page, I messed around with the image and was able to read most of the first page seen through the cover. The JPG compression makes some of it very hard to decipher.

Anything BOLDED is something I can't read or am not sure I read right.

FORBIDDEN PLANET

FADE IN:

1. EXT. DEEP SPACE - THE GREAT GALAXY M-21

Spiral arms filled with billions of glittering stars
cartwheel across the bright, densely packed nucleus of
this immense galaxy.

SUPER CRAWL OPEN.

LEGEND
Toward the end of the 24th Century, man had
reached out far beyond his own solar system,
out into the dark domain where Earth’s sun is
an insignificant glitter among one billion
other suns in the Milky Way.

CAMERA MOVES IN on one portion of M-21.

LEGEND
What made deep space travel possible was the
discovery, early in the 25th Century, that the
speed of light was not ??? had always been
believed, the fastest speed achievable.

CAMERA MOVES IN TOWARD:

2. EXT. SPACE - THE PLANET ALTAIR-4

revealed ahead, orbited by its moons. The day side
of the planet ????? edge of the terminator, the line
separating day and night. The bright side of the planet
glistens in crystalline green.

OVER SHOT SUPER MAIN TITLE

FORBIDDEN PLANET

A rocket-like ??????? brings us from outer space closer
to the planet.

OVER ?????

LEGEND
Planet Altair-4. Galaxy: M-21

?.?.?.?.?.

from ????, ????-??????? and ?????? and in IMMEDIATE F.G.
--appears the ????? military probe-ship ???????? ???-21.


But let me tell you one thing that smells funny about this script. I can see that the paragraphs are left and right justified. That's uncommon in screenplays, which are almost always left justified. A space oddity to be sure.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that auction mixed up stuff from two different projects. The only stuff outside that auction I can find re FP remake attempts in the 1990s is the Kershner one. I can't anything that seems related to those pix of people in red costumes outside that auction. Is there another source for the assertion that that stuff if from an actual attempt to remake the film?

Anyway, as regards the Kersh version...


From Variety, Feb. 24, 1994

… Production designer Richard Sylbert, two-time Oscar winner, lends his talents for the first time to a science-fiction film, “Forbidden Planet,” a remake of the 1956 classic for Lindsay Dunlap’s Corlind Motion Pictures. As noted earlier here, the pic’s scripted by Stirling Silliphant, and Oscar winner Stan Winston’s creating the movie monsters for the $ 40 million epic directed by Irvin Kershner. They are, of course, planning computer games and all the new high-tech gimmix to follow.

From bfi:

Cast & Credits
Director Irvin Kershner
Production Company Corlind Motion Picture Company
Executive Producer Stan Winston
Producer Lindsay Dunlap
Screenplay Nelson Gidding
Screenplay Stirling Silliphant

rec.art.movies U.S. Films In Production - February 20, 1995 - 3 of 3

+FORBIDDEN PLANET [Science Fiction]
Remake of the 1956 film about a group of space travelers who visit a
planet where an expatriate has built a one-man empire with his daughter.
CAST: ?;
DIRECTOR: Irvin Kershner; WRITERS: Nelson Gidding, Stirling Silliphant;
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Stan Winston; PRODUCER: Lindsay Dunlap;
CO-PRODUCER: Gregg Champion
PROD. MANAGER: ?;
PRODUCTION DESIGN: Richard Slybert; SFX: Stan Winston;
CASTING: ?; PUBLICITY: ?;
PRODUCTION COMPANY: Corlind Motion Picture Corp., 100 Wilshire Blvd.,
#2000, Santa Monica, CA 90401; Phone: 310-458-4472, Fax: 310-458-7784;
DISTRIB.: ?;
LOCATIONS: United Kingdom, Iceland, Germany; START: April 1995

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