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Lost In Space (1965)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that this should be here, but here it goes...

Maurice wrote:
If we're being fair there's not much to the original show. The characters were so thinly sketched you could see through them, except for Will, the Robot and Smith.(how often does John even kiss his wife after the first half dozen episodes?). It was deliberate pablum.

It is an action show, and the characters in those tend to be a bit sketchy. A lot of shows back then were that way, unless it was a drama series. He did kiss his wife in later seasons, not much, but then it was an action show. Not pablum, I.A. wanted it to be a show a person could unwind to after a hard day's work.

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The new show is exactly the same premise with only the particulars changed up: a family set adrift on alien worlds and fighting to survive. The personalities are different, sure, but the originals barely had personalities: so no one was going to copy that. Maureen is a criminal? Okay, but when the chips are down and their children's futures hang in the balance how many people aren't going to act?

I disagree (big surprise, right?), it is not "exactly the same premise". It is a similar premise, but it is distinctly different. Not a bad thing, unless you're calling it Lost in Space.

The Robinsons were a single family with a robot, on the first interstellar journey, under their own, Earth-developed technology. They were alone.

The new show is about a family that is part of a larger group of colonists, traveling on a giant ship powered by alien technology that they don't understand. On the twenty fourth colonization wave, not the first. Threatened AND helped by alien robots.

And I was correct. Maureen is the bigger criminal, no matter what her reasons, you will be just as dead as if she were nefarious.


Maurice wrote:
And is anyone seriously, critiquing the science in the new show in comparison to the Irwin Allen scienceless science of the original?

I have watched both seasons and yes, I will say that the science is as bad as the original show. If not worse in places.

Maurice wrote:
But really it's the same show deep down, just in tune with modern TV conventions, like them or not.

I don't believe it is, and I feel that I made that point in my frankly long-winded post above.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krel wrote:
I'm not sure that this should be here, but here it goes...

Rest assured, David, that any discussion which compares the two versions of Lost in Space would be just as appropriate here as in the thread for the new series. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today (February 1st) is Bill Mumy's birthday. He is 66 years old.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest shock is when you realise that Blue (Mark Slade) from The High Chaparral is now 81 years of age!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smith and B-9 meet Princess Leia Organa:


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the name of Ghu* Why these LEGO prototypes?

























*Ghu Stands for "God Help Us!" He-Or-She-It, say that together quickly) is the sci-fi exclamation used by original fans in The 1930s conventions and has become the patron of sc-fi since the 1950s.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost In Space had their own version of an invisible monster (like the Id) Footprints:



Shooting the invisible monster:



This was posted at ine site as a "Rare color test of the "Bubble creatures" derelict Ship & the Jupiter II from The Derelict". It is actually the box art for the Lost in Space Derelict model from Moebius Models.:


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Billy Mumy got a tour of the set for the Netflix Lost in Space Cool


_ Lost in Space Exclusive: Bill Mumy Visits The Jupiter 2


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Netflix reboot of Lost In Space is a terrific show. Much better than the Irwin Allen version.

Same can be said for the reboot of Battlestar Galactica.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we have a major difference of opinion here as I prefer both original shows to the remakes! I can get on with the new LIS just but I never really liked the new BSG one bit, outside of a weekly view of Tricia Helfer that is!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pow wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree regarding the quality of Irwin Allen's shows. It was his fault.

I've read a number of interviews with the individuals who wrote for IA's various sf TV series. According to them Allen would tell them that his (Allens') shows were "running & jumping shows. "This was interjected by Allen whenever the writers would attempt to create scripts with substance or depth.

I totally agree with Pow on this.

Irwin Allen was pleased as punch with the witless-but-glitzy crap he presented to the public during the period in which his series aired. Like most TV executives during that era, the guiding mantra of these money-hungry men was "Give the public whatever pleases them!"

Meanwhile, the dedicated artists and writers who labored to create quality science fiction were at the mercy of the network "carnival bosses" who wanted to lure the public into sitting in front of their TV sets night after night so they could watch the barrage of commercials for products the networks were pitching to the public.

This shameless practice hasn't change one iota in all these years. The only difference is the fact that audiences have become a bit more discriminating in some ways (but not in others), so that TV series with hokey scripts and poor FX are less likely to hold their interests.

However, the level of intelligence, logic, and scientific accuracy in modern shows still tends to be sadly lacking.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleveland Amory TV Guide Review for Lost In Space.

Between the dark and the daylight, when night is beginning to lower, comes a pause in the adult viewing, which is known as the children's glower.

And most shows designed primarily for children are not only written for them but also apparently---so it seems---by them.

Lost In Space, at first brush, might appear to be no exception. For one thing, it was a science-fiction creation of Irwin Allen, whom you may forget---if not forgive---for having given us Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Most important, Lost In Space has an irritating backyard quality, complete with boy-next-planet, girl-next-star, etc. Indeed the Space Family Robinson itself (honestly, Robinson is what they are called) is all too typically cast---a typical professor father (Guy "Zorro" Williams), a typical blonde mommy (June "Lassie" Lockhart), even a typical family friend, Major Don West (Mark Goddard). As for the children, they are typical too---two girls (Marta Kristen and Angela Cartwright), one blonde and one brunette, of course, named Judy and Penny (what else?)---as well as a freckle-faced boy with bangs (Billy Mumy).

Don't let all this, however, keep you from this show. For the fact is Mr. Allen and his producer Buck (The Twilight Zone) Houghton have going for them two basic ingredients which lift Lost In Space out of the ordinary into something remarkable.

The first is our Emmy nomination for the best actor in any children's show this year---a robot. He knows his lines. He's appealing to both boys and girls, and he's even neat and well-mannered enough for the old folks to stand him. And when little Will is seized by an alien space craft and carried off to be a humanoid brain in their guidance-control system, who do the Robinsons turn to for their guidance? The robot, that's who. And when they ask him, "which way did they go?" and he replies "Insufficient data"---you somehow know that, when the chips are down, he'll do his duty, even if it means a hapless charge against the alien space ship's "force field." Like the brave television executives upstairs, his is not to reason why, his is but to program and die.

Second only to the robot is a marvelous villain in this show in the person of Dr. Zachary Smith (Jonathan Harris). He is responsible almost every week for lousing up outer space with his innate rottenness, and you've got to love him for it.

Our favorite episode was the one in which Dr. Smith finds, on a nearly abandoned spaceship, a thought machine (it's like Aladdin's lamp, only instead of rubbing it you think what you want). At first everything is O.K. Will thinks up apples, and apples come down; Mrs. Robinson thinks up something extra special for dinner, and it comes down; Judy thinks up a new dress, and it comes down; Penny thinks up new tapes for her recorder, and they come down.

But then greed takes over, and when greedy Dr. Smith thinks up a servant---well, there are some things these days, apparently, you can't even think up. Why they continue, week after week, to trust Dr. Smith beats us---and certainly Robinson and Will don't. But you know women and children---always making decisions on insufficient data.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was quite surprised that Amory actually enjoyed Lost In Space. I liked it as a kid, as an adult I find it an awful science fiction show.

Amory puts down Irwin Allen's Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (1964~1968) in his review here. Voyage, in its first season in black & white, was a decent show compared to LIS.

He also writes that Major West was "typical friend" of the Robinson family. Actually, he was the designated pilot for the Jupiter II spaceship before becoming close to the Robinson family.

Amory points out the robot and Dr. Smith as the "two basic ingredients which lift Lost In Space out of the ordinary into something remarkable." Not for me. The show froze with the formula of Dr. Smith pulling a stupid stunt each week, and then having the robot & Will rescue him. It was so predictable that it became a silly bore of a show. Real imagination was now lost in space with the series.

I realize that the show has diehard fans who associate it with their happy memories of a time in their life when they were younger. I can understand that feeling, I've felt the same about TV shows that really have not aged well, but that I loved watching once upon a time. However, LIS from a scripting standpoint simply can never equal The Outer Limits or Star Trek from that same era.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right on all points, Captain POWer! Cool

Wasn't that review by the same guy who said TOS was just for kids? Weird, eh? Confused

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