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Krel Space Ranger
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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A group of us went to see "The Car", and before the movie was the first SW's trailer, the one with no music.
When the movie came out, we went to see it at a packed theater. AND I LOVED IT! At the time there was a digest magazine that I can't remember the name of. It reprinted old SF stories from the 30"s & 40's, along with the original illustrations. I wish I still had them, but I ran out of room and donated them, and my Analogs to a school library.
"Star Wars" reminded me of those stories and illustrations. To this day "STAR WARS" is my favorite Star Wars movie. The New Hope? Not so much.
I guy I used to know went to the World Con in Kansas the year before the movie came out. He told us about the props and models that were on display for this movie. He couldn't remember the name of.
He said there were unusual looking guns. Some weapons that look like flashlights. A gold robot that reminded him of the robot from "Metropolis", and a robot that looked like a trash can!
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Gord Green Galactic Ambassador

Joined: 06 Oct 2014 Posts: 3001 Location: Buffalo, NY
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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ORZEL wrote: | Genius! The audience is focused on the main characters, so the creature is essentially a throwaway. In the "upgraded" edition the aliens are dumped in our faces en masse, an overkill eliminating the delight of that original discovery. |
I absolutely agree!
The original was a hint . . . a tease . . .a tweak of your imagination that made YOU a part of the story!
CGI special effects aren't so inclusive! It puts you OUT of the action as just an observer, not a participant! _________________ There comes a time, thief, when gold loses its lustre, and the gems cease to sparkle, and the throne room becomes a prison; and all that is left is a father's love for his child. |
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tmlindsey Quantum Engineer

Joined: 18 Jul 2022 Posts: 397 Location: NW Florida
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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That sense of wonder when you watched a movie is gone now and has been since the CGI explosion. No one wonders "how'd they do that?" anymore because it (almost) always is done with CGI. Everything is such a spectacle now that it's just mind-numbing overload.
For better or worse, Star Wars brought SFX behind-the-scenes to the mainstream, but also ushered in the era of CGI overload.
The special editions were mostly done so Lucas could jam in more potential toys.
I would have been perfectly happy if Star Wars had been a one-off instead of turning into the sickening monster it is now. _________________ "Have you never wondered what it would be like to walk between the ticks and tocks of Time?" |
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador

Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 1865
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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tmlindsey wrote: | I would have been perfectly happy if Star Wars had been a one-off instead of turning into the sickening monster it is now. |
That brings to mind the anticipation of seeing the trailer for the next installment. For Star Wars they were actually placed at the end of the film.
Those of us who got wise to this arrangement would sit through those endless credits to see the trailer, to the chagrin of the theater staff, who were trying to clear out the auditorium to seat the next crowd. _________________ ...or not...
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 17637 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Gentlemen, at the risk of offending some of the most intelligent people on the planet (namely All Sci-Fi's members), allow me to offer an alternative viewpoint.
In 1977, when we wandered into our local theaters (or in my case, a colossal movie palace in New York), we were dazzled by what we saw. It was a remarkable new experience, perfect in every way, jam-packed with more incredible moments than we'd ever scene before.
It was a banguet of eye-candle, ear-candy, and idea-candy — the likes of which mesmerized audiences around the world. That's what made it a global phenomenon!
Unfortunately, by the time Return of the Jedi came out, several movie critics wrote reviews that said absurd things, like the review I remember in an Atlanta newspaper.
This is a movie that everybody wanted to see . . . but nobody wanted to make.
The insinuation was that Return of the Jedi was little more than a desperate attempt to recreate the phenomenon caused by Star Wars, long after the world-wide mania had peaked.
That was not true. of course. For me, Return of the Jedi jazzed up my Star Wars enthusiasm when I attended it's Atlanta premiere after standing in line at the renowned Phipps Plaza theater for two hours with a mob of excited fans who had Han Solo action figures frozen inside Tupperware containers since they first saw The Empire Strikes Back, years earlier.
And during the movie they were hooting and howling and clapping their hands 'till they blistered. I remember that experience well, because I snuck my Panasonic stereo tape player into the theater and preserved the whole wonderful experience — movie, audience, and all.
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Gentlemen, what I'm saying is that, in my opinion, much of the negative reactions to the special edition of the original Star Wars is not caused by a dislike of the new scenes which were added. It's caused by the fact that they were viewed thrugh the eyes of people who simply didn't want see variations of their fondly remember movie.
Consider this; watching the original version gives us a chance experience nostalgic memories from when we first saw it, two decades earlier, when we were dazzled by this "Space Fantasy" — as Lucas repeatedly called it in 1977.
To those folks, it's a little like being an adult who walks into a detailed recreation of his family's living room at Christmas when he was twelve years old — but he finds presents under the tree like the ones kids get today, instead of the toys he remembers getting when he was young.
Even though these modern gifts from the 21st Century would have delighted him when he was twelve (back in the 50s, 60s, or 70s), the fact that this recreation of his family's living room was far from accurate, spoiling the experience.
Gentleman, I won't defend all the changes Lucas made, but I will defend his attempt to make 1977's Star Wars look less dated to younger audience, twenty years after it was first released.
For the record, I do think the new Tatooine scenes are a giant improvement, a science fiction fan's dream-come-true, with more aliens than you can shake a light sabre at — and a land speeder that wasn't obviously just a wheeled prop with a crudely done blur beneath it to hide its tires.
But (also for the record), the scenes in the cantina look better in their original form — great "practical effects"aliens, and Han Solo shooting first, by God!
However, we all know it's a sad fact of life that as people get older they become jaded and less enthusiast about the experiences they went gaw-gaw over in their youth.
Gentlemen, that's just as true for exciting new experiences we enjoyed when we were 20 . . . and then repeated later when we were 40.
As for me (the never-aging Bud Brewster — a 75-year old child-at-heart) I really enjoyed the special edition of Star Wars, which I went to see 1997 with my 14-year-old son Jason David Cook. He loved it too.
It was the first Star Wars movie he saw in a theater, after becoming a huge fan of the original trilogy, despite the fact that he had watching it on . . . VHS tapes and our old 25" CRT television.
I stood in line with him in 1999 to see The Phantom Menace, his first new Star War experience in a theater.
My point is that Jason's life-long love for the Star Wars movies was largely generated by the same dreaded "special editions" which you gentlemen severely criticize, followed by the much rivaled second trilogy — the third one of which I think stinks like day-old diapers.
Even Jason didn't like that one . . . _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 17637 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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tmlindsey wrote: | That sense of wonder when you watched a movie is gone now and has been since the CGI explosion. No one wonders "how'd they do that?" anymore because it (almost) always is done with CGI. Everything is such a spectacle now that it's just mind-numbing overload. |
Okay, now by-gum ya got me!
In my youth, I grew up watching those marvelous "practical special effects", all the way back to the early 1950s, when the Flash Gordon serials were shown by local stations on Saturday mornings, before the networks made cartoons the domain of morning television on weekends to keep the kids quiet while the parents slept late.
When I found this vintage image of two kids watching TV, I had a ball replacing the TV screen with the image of Flash and Dale, and then giving the young boy the toy rocket sitting next to him. It took me some doin' to blend the elements I added, but I think it turned out rather well.
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During that happy childhood, my mother took me to see This Island Earth, Forbidden Planet, The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, and The Time Machine at downtown Atlanta theaters.
And the whole family went to drive-ins and enjoyed 20 Million Miles to Earth, Earth vs the Flying Saucers, The Colossus of New York, The Space Children, and other great sci-fi movies.
I loved Ray Harryhausen's movies so much I even used my Dad's 8mm camera to make several claymation films like the one below. Click on the images to play the YouTube video, but be sure to mute your audio. The irritating noise is the 8MM projector I used to shoot the video off a screen.
I discovered today that if you use YouTube's playback seed adjustment and set it to 0.75 or 0.5, my amateur animation will play at the speed closer to what I hoped it would when I shot it.
Hey, I was just a teenager, and I only made a few of these films before my Dad's camera was stolen in break-in.
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So, all my younger days (and many of my older ones) were spent wondering,"How'd they do that?" And even when I'd finally learned the answers, it made me admire the brilliant people and their clever ways of bringing miracles to the silver screen.
Therefore, Tim, we're in complete agreement on this. In fact, as CGI began to create special effects which are increasing realistic, I no longer wonder HOW they did it . . . I can't even tell when they DID!
And so, Tim, I share your disappointment at the pleasure which CGI robbed us in exchange for the "better" (aka, less expensive) special effects. They cost the studios less to produce . . . but we've all paid a much heavier price!  _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Gord Green Galactic Ambassador

Joined: 06 Oct 2014 Posts: 3001 Location: Buffalo, NY
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thomas Hardy was right..."You can't go home again."
We view the past with selective goggles. We don't remember what was, we remember how we thought it was. _________________ There comes a time, thief, when gold loses its lustre, and the gems cease to sparkle, and the throne room becomes a prison; and all that is left is a father's love for his child. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:00 am Post subject: |
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"Thanks for the heart-to-heart talk, Andrew. Now, go see if you can 'get lucky' with that hot chick next door, Polly What's-her name." _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

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Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 11:18 am Post subject: |
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This short (but brilliant) video cracked me up. Enjoy!
"2001: A Space Odyssey" directed by George Lucas?
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
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