ALL SCI-FI

[Bud Brewster]

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Thinking Outside the "Plot"!
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~ A Question for the Members: If Rachel and Deckard (both of whom are replicants, accord to Ridley Scott) are so completely "human" they can reproduce, what would they do after the story ends and they go off together?

~ My Theory: The movie makes it plain that life on Earth sucks — and it sucks the worst for replicants. But Roy Batty talked about colonies on other planets, and battles in space.

So, the obvious thing for Roy and Rachel to do is head for a colony world, hide the fact that they're replicants . . and start a family!

Obviously I'm suggesting an alternate story line to the one in Blade Runner 2049, in which Rachael died while giving birth to Dekhard's daughter.

The sequel does in fact establish that the Wallace Corporate (who took over replicant creation after the Tyrell Corporation went bankrupt) was trying to rediscovering Tyrell's "lost" data which permitted replicants like Rachel to reproduce. She was a prototype, and we can only assume that Deckard was, too — possibly created by Tyrell to mate with Rahael and create replicant offspring.

Apparently Tyrell arranged for repliant-Deckard to replace the real Deckard. just to find out if he could fool everybody — including Deckard himself.

Watch the scene at the 13:00 mark when Deckard's boss, Bryan, is trying to get Deckard to come back as a Blade Runner, and Deckard says no. "I don't work here anymore."

We can surmise that the real Deckard quit the division which retired replicants, and at some point prior to the start of the movie, Tyrell kidnapped the man, replaced him, destroyed his body, and inserted replicant-Deckard into the dead man's identity.

The lost secret of how to make replicants who can reproduce was the focal point of Blade Runner 2049, but they didn't handle the idea very well.

So, I'm suggesting we put the pieces together in a better way by having Rachel and Deckard establish new identities, go to the most pleasant of the colony worlds, and convince everyone they're humans by becoming the proud parents of Rachael's unborn baby — a sure fire way to prove they ain't replicants in the eyes of practically everybody!

The story would have them getting involved with the Replicant Underground (something also included in Blade Runner 2049) and discovering that there are labs on the colony which create replicants for the Wallace Corporation, to be used as labor (etc.) in the colony.

One Wikipedia article I found states that the the Asian guy who made eyes, along with the quirky fellow who made hands and who befriended Darrell Hannah's character, were both replicants who made body parts for the Tyrell Corporation.

I can't confirm this from another sources, but suppose there were replicants in this off-world lab who were genetic engineers, and they have secretly discovered how to make replicants with open-ended lifespans and the ability to reproduce.

So, Deckard and Rachael ally themselves with a secret movement to create replicants with unlimited lifespans and the ability to reproduce. They plan to escape to an Earth-like planet where they'll establish a hidden all-replicant colony.

That's all I've got so far.

Gentlemen, this sounds like the middle movie of a great triology!
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[tmlindsey]

Scott's idea of Deckard being a replicant misses the point.

Deckard, a man who "retired" machines for a living, presumably without thought or remorse, is finally confronted with one (Rachel) that makes him stop and think; and develop feelings for. This should make him question his one humanity and what really makes one human (like in the book).

Making him a replicant defeats that character's growth and transformation.

A better director could have explored what Rachel and Deckard were dealing with emotionally and philosophically.

But hey, Scott's visuals were top-notch, and there's boobies

You want a movie trilogy, Bruce?

Leave the original as it was without the "No termination date" line at the end.

Part 2 could have Deckard and Rachel on the run and Deckard getting increasingly worried that Rachel will soon die and finding himself becoming as desperate as Roy Batty was about Pris' imminent demise. So Deckard could become like those he hunted before and finally understand what it really means to be "human" and what his former job really meant. Authorities could put out the story that Deckard is an experimental, malfunctioning replicant (who thinks he's human) and should be shot on-sight. Rachel would be shot by another BR, who is promptly killed by Deckard.

Part 3 has Deckard going after those he once worked for to bring down the system. Deckard could face off with some of his old colleagues, like Gaff, but be killed in the end. Perhaps by Gaff, who then discovers that they were all lied to and Deckard was NOT a replicant (and even some of the newer recruits are unknowingly replicants themselves). Gaff could spill all he knows to the press and end the Tyrell Corporation and the Blade Runner program.

If you want a happy, twist ending; Rachel wasn't killed but went into hiding, further twist could be that she is pregnant if you liked that aspect of 2049's story.

If you wanted to throw in a conspiracy theory, maybe the Blade Runners were historically given false info on some occasions so that certain people could be eliminated under the guise of them being a replicant in disguise.
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"Have you never wondered what it would be like to walk between the ticks and tocks of Time?"

[Bud Brewster]

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Very imaginative, Tim!

It's a bit dark for my taste, however, with everybody killing everybody — regardless of what they really are — and humanity basically proving that he's not worth keeping around.

My story suggests that humanity managed to design and build his own replacement (with knowing it), a race of replicants who understand what it means to be human better than the humans do.

But heck, I'm a notorious Pollyanna who likes stories about the solutions to problems better than stories about their perpetuation. Real life is gloomy enough without insisting that fiction can't be any better.

I know that every story needs conflict, for the same reason the track meets needs hurtles. I like stories in which the runners make it over the hurtles, rather then tripping over them, breaking their legs, and limping for the rest of their lives.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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[tmlindsey]

[Bud Brewster]

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I know how dark the original movie is, Tim. What I meant was that your proposed sequel is also dark — because that's what you prefer.

I would just prefer a sequel that offers a change in the narrative's direction — a more optimistic story this time around, a change of pace.

We have different tastes, that's all. Different strokes for different replicants.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[mach7]

I know I'm stating the obvious,

But the whole point of Blade Runner was:

What is it to be human?
Where is the line of humanity/animal/artifact?

Rachael basically says this in the film.

Any sequel should explore that.

[tmlindsey]

[Gord Green]

Could it be that androids do dream of electric sheep?

Gee, I feel like a real Dick to imagine that!
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There comes a time, thief, when gold loses its lustre, and the gems cease to sparkle, and the throne room becomes a prison; and all that is left is a father's love for his child.

[tmlindsey]

Your recent actions; I did observe them

Tee-hee!
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"Have you never wondered what it would be like to walk between the ticks and tocks of Time?"

[Bud Brewster]

[tmlindsey]

[Bud Brewster]

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Oops, I'm sorry I got the source of the comments wrong. I tried to fix a few of my mistakes, but I guess I disagree with both of you, gentlemen.

The movie's premise is based on Batty's scene. And my suggestion for a sequel addresses that important concept. Replicants deserve their freedom.

Geez. it's obvious, guys.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[tmlindsey]

[Bud Brewster]

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By gum, I guess you're right, Tim!

And as always, I've enjoyed the debate. We can leave it right here if you like, guys — but feel free to add anything you like, anytime you want.

That's what the first version of All Sci-Fi was created for, way back in 2006!
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[mach7]

I agree also Bud,

It IS all about Batty's soliloquy.

One of the most poignant scenes in cinema.
Very moving and meaningful.