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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ah well, with the help of two of my learned colleagues, we've established the scene was NOT filmed in black & white with rotoscoped red blood.  _________________ ____________
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador

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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I must agree with the bathroom sequence being less sharp than the preceding footage. Not only less sharp, but with halation around the actress' hair as well. To me it had the appearance of videotape.
In the first view of the blood flowing in the sink at 2:21 there is a very slight red tint around the basin area and the vertical backsplash in addition to the slight red spilling onto her robe, mentioned earlier.
I was also noticing the inside of her mouth being gray (before reading tmlindsey's mention of it).
Nowadays black liquid is often seen in color horror movies. In the days when b/w movies were common, black liquid was the accepted depiction of blood. Chocolate syrup was frequently the stand-in for blood. Now take a look at this partial frame. The blood right under the faucet is black, as though it missed being colorized with the rest of the tub's contents. This also shows up in some frames with the hand showing spots of black.
I'm thinking the bathroom scene was shot originally in b/w, with the red being added in post-production. _________________ ...or not...
WayneO
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Gosh, folks, now I don't know what to think.
I keep finding sites that support the "color film" explanation for the bathroom scene.
Here's another site that claims it was shot with color film.
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TVTropes.com
The Bloody Bathtub scene, featuring a vivid red arm emerging from a sea of blood in an otherwise black and white film was not colorized after the fact.
Instead, William Castle simulated a monochrome look by painting the set in gray, had the wardrobe done in gray and put gray makeup and hair-dye on the actress. The whole scene was indeed shot in color, but only the water and the arm had any actual color about them.
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But some very knowledgeable folks on the Classic Horror Film Board describe several complex methods for creating the shot. Read about it here.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/the-tingler-1959-t2507-s160.html _________________ ____________
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tmlindsey Quantum Engineer

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Most websites (especially these days) simply parrot what other sites post. Most times, if you dig around, the information can be traced to one original source that everyone else takes as fact and re-posts. Once enough people re-post it, it becomes accepted "fact" that no one bothers to research and verify because "so many sites agree".
How many decades did the 2 endings to King Kong vs Godzilla claim last in books, magazines and on the web before finally being debunked? And yet is STILL sometimes gets posted on some sites as fact.
Also, Hollywood types tend to lie to make things sound more impressive or groundbreaking than they are (Dino's 40' robot Kong, for example).
The Tingler is old enough that it's likely impossible to really know how it was done since there's (probably) no one left alive who worked on it. _________________ "Have you never wondered what it would be like to walk between the ticks and tocks of Time?" |
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: | I keep finding sites that support the "color film" explanation for the bathroom scene. |
The Internet is filled with "facts" that are merely repeated from other places on the 'net. Very few will cite authoritative sources. _________________ ...or not...
WayneO
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed, guys. I stand corrected. _________________ ____________
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scotpens Space Sector Commander

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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tmlindsey wrote: | Most websites (especially these days) simply parrot what other sites post. Most times, if you dig around, the information can be traced to one original source that everyone else takes as fact and re-posts. Once enough people re-post it, it becomes accepted "fact" that no one bothers to research and verify because "so many sites agree". |
Like how it was believed for decades that this lovely lady was Victoria Vetri (aka Angela Dorian), when in fact it was an actress named April Tatro.
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tmlindsey Quantum Engineer

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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:52 am Post subject: |
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scotpens wrote: | Like how it was believed for decades that this lovely lady was Victoria Vetri (aka Angela Dorian), when in fact it was an actress named April Tatro. |
Exactly. Just like most people believe All Sci-Fi is run by a mild-mannered SF fan when we all know that "Bud Brewster" is really the code name for dashing international man of mystery Bruce Cook; a King to men and a God to his women. Whose catchphrase when battling an enemy is "Now we're Cook-in'!" and often cries "Your goose is Cook-ed!" when dispatching a villain.
If the world only knew the truth. _________________ "Have you never wondered what it would be like to walk between the ticks and tocks of Time?" |
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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tmlindsey wrote: | Most websites (especially these days) simply parrot what other sites post. Most times, if you dig around, the information can be traced to one original source that everyone else takes as fact and re-posts. Once enough people re-post it, it becomes accepted "fact" that no one bothers to research and verify because "so many sites agree".
How many decades did the 2 endings to King Kong vs Godzilla claim last in books, magazines and on the web before finally being debunked? And yet is STILL sometimes gets posted on some sites as fact.
Also, Hollywood types tend to lie to make things sound more impressive or groundbreaking than they are (Dino's 40' robot Kong, for example).
The Tingler is old enough that it's likely impossible to really know how it was done since there's (probably) no one left alive who worked on it. |
The internet is chock full of bullsh*t. And pop culture history is rarely good "history" at all. Fannish theories and rumors and long after-the-fact anecdotes based on faulty human memory ensure it is so. People uncritically repeating what they've read or telling it from memory virtually ensures it's all a game of "telephone." And, honestly, when you dig up the actual truth, a lot of people are resistant to it. They want to "print the legend," as per The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
Honestly, it's not helped by people endlessly photoshopping things without flagging them as an altered photograph or what have you.
It's a sorry state of affairs. _________________ * * *
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