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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Redesigning Starfleets Uniforms for Star Trek II Reply with quote

Robert (Butch) Day wrote:
Not quite. Trapunto uses a special needle that is hollow to fill a portion of a costume with stuffing. The shoulder rolls which were added to the Forbidden Planet uniforms for episodes of The Twilight Zone were trapunto. Those rolls were a dark red in color about midway between (red) and (darkred).

Butch, isn't that how they also did the yokes and chest rolls on the long-sleeve "Forbidden Planet" shirts?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. That is what I'm talking about here. They only did it to the short sleeve crew uniforms in the 4th season Twilight Zone episodes On Thursday We Leave For Home and Death Ship. The short sleeve officer uniforms were untouched. Death Ship:



On Thursday We Leave For Home:



The "rolls" on the class A uniforms worn by officers and crew were done differently; by just having a shaped roll of cloth sewn on. Close-up of the Bosun's uniform:



I own examples of ALL the uniforms shown above.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that every March 17th Kirk has to deal with this guy.



(I found this on Nautilus Submarine.)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:41 pm    Post subject: The Baby That Was Cut Out Of STAR TREK II: WRATH OF KHAN Reply with quote

The Baby That Was Cut Out Of STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN
By Devin Faraci, Birth.Movies.Death

LINK for full story and photos:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/06/12/the-baby-that-was-cut-out-of-star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan

You may think that, 30 years after its release, you know every inch of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. And it's possible that you know this inch, but it's a really rare one that almost never gets brought up, and it's unclear if any of the footage still exists:

Khan originally had a child. In the movie the child first appears as Terrell and Chekov come upon the Botany Bay; Chekov sees the kid through a window briefly, and then the child scurries away. It's a moment of added tension as the two examine the wreckage of the ancient ship.

BDT: Wasn't it a cargo pod supplied by Kirk?

The baby doesn't show up again until the very end, and his return comes at a very sobering time. As the USS Reliant is in ruins, as Khan is all but defeated, he activates the Genesis Device, which still sits on the transporter pad. Attracted by the bright lights, the baby crawls towards the device... which then detonates, turning the Mutari Nebula into the Genesis Planet and killing everybody.



Those are the only moments featuring the kid; the only photographic evidence I can find of the child is above, from a 1982 issue of StarBlazer. The article is called "The Man Who Saved Star Trek," about director Nicholas Meyer. It's a pretty good interview, where Meyer is fairly savage about Star Trek: The Motion Picture (saying he hired crew who worked on that movie because they would know how to NOT do it). .....

The son should not be confused with Joachim, Khan's right hand man. Many people often assume that he's Khan's son, but that isn't the case. In fact he's supposed to be a guy named Joaquin, who appeared in the original series episode Space Seed, which introduced Khan. A weird production glitch made it so the two characters have different names, and eventually it became enshrined by fans that they're different guys. Some authorized fiction has Joachim being the son of Joaquin, born on Ceti Alpha V, but growing up fast because of his superior genes (it's established that Wrath of Khan takes place 15 years after Space Seed).....

This isn't the only deleted material from Wrath of Khan, some of which remains officially unavailable.

The film exists in three versions: the original cut, the director's cut and the ABC TV movie cut. The TV cut is strange, mostly filled with alternate takes. For example, the scene between Saavik and Kirk in the turbolift plays out in tight shots, and Kirstie Alley is more seductive. The director's cut includes more footage with Peter Preston, the young engineer who dies; the theatrical cut never establishes that this is Scotty's nephew, which makes his death more of a pay-off.

Then there are scenes that have just disappeared and are not even included as extras in the newest Blu release. There's a brief exchange between Kirk and Spock just after the Kobayashi Maru test where Spock reveals that Saavik is half Romulan; this information informs the fact that she later cries in the movie. Her half-Romulan heritage has become an accepted point of the expanded universe canon, but has never been mentioned in the official works.....


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blowing up a child at the end of the movie. Yeah, that would have sent the ticket buying audience home feeling good. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krel wrote:
Blowing up a child at the end of the movie. Yeah, that would have sent the ticket buying audience home feeling good. Laughing

Goodness gracious, who'd 'a thought that such a misguided plot element would ever have been considered for this story?

Having a baby in the movie would have just added to the confusion caused by the fact that Khan is obviously so much older than all the other super-people in his group. Even if they'd explained that all the original "augments" were dead except for Khan, and the group we see in Wrath of Khan are roughly 15-year-old offspring who "grew up quicker than normal" (another bad idea, by the way), having a toddler wandering around would have been tough to explain.

Who was the mother? Khan's beloved wife, or some other woman?

How old is the toddler? Just "toddler" age and not yet showing any accelerated growth?

And who allowed that child to wandering into the transporter room while Daddy was hard at work trying to sock it to old Jim while he said things like, "From hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at . . . . hey, who the hell let this kid in here!"

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgotten Trek: Designing the Reliant for Star Trek II -
Nick Ottens

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan would give Trekkers the first canon Starfleet ship beside the original Enterprise. But that wasn't the original plan.

In early versions of the script, the Reliant was a sister ship to the Enterprise. Production designer Joseph Jennings worried that if the ships were identical, it would have made it hard for viewers to distinguish between them during the battle scene in the Mutara Nebula. In the dogfight you had to instantly recognize which ship you were looking at, so they had to look different, he told Star Trek: The Magazine 3, 5 (September 2002). At the same time, you had to make them look like they came from the same culture and had the same technology.



Jennings worked with Lee Cole and Mike Minor to design the new ship. It was the first time a new starship had been designed since the Klingon battle cruiser, he remembered. "She was supposed to be a coastal and geodetic survey ship, like a buoy tender. She would be armed, perhaps, but only lightly. She wasn't a lion ship like the Enterprise. Also, remember the Enterprise was always supposed to be an exploratory vessel where the armament was secondary. That was even more true for the Reliant. She was supposed to just stick around in the known universe and take care of things that everybody already knew about."

The three ultimately came up with a compressed version of the Enterprise. We had long postulated that the circular saucer said, This is Starfleet navy, and it used engines that looked pretty much like those on the Enterprise. They eliminated the engineering hull and attached the nacelles to an extended saucer section instead.

Except the nacelles looked over the saucer in their design. Lee Cole remembered how they ended up underneath it. Harve Bennett, the film's producer, was working abroad before they began filming Star Trek II. We were mailing everything over to him and getting him to approve it and mail it back to us, she told Star Trek: The Magazine, so we did our first sketch of the ship and mailed them off to him. Bennett was supposed to sign for approval at the bottom of the sheet. When he got it in the mail he took it out of the package upside down, I guess, and wrote out on the bottom, Yes, this looks very good, proceed. So when we got it back we realized he'd approved it upside down.

Rather than bother Bennett again, the three decided to make it work that way -- and it did. Jennings and Lee added what Minor dubbed a roll bar to support the dropped nacelles. Phaser banks were put in this supporting structure.

The studio model was built at Industrial Light & Magic. Visual Effects Supervisor Kenneth Ralston told Cinefantastique 44, 12 (1982), The ship takes the best of the Enterprise, rearranges it, and adds a few goodies of its own. In a separate interview with American Cinematographer (October 1982), he recalled that the model was perfectly constructed for shooting. It's light, he said, highly detailed, non-reflective and could be easily mounted from all sides for any possible setup.

The high quality and large scale of the model allowed it to be reused many times in episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. It was not until its appearance in the second television series that the Reliant's class name was confirmed on screen. It also showed several Miranda-class starships without the roll bar when the effects crew was unable to make its internal lighting work on time.

A more extensive modification was prepared for the The Next Generation episode Cause and Effect. The model was redressed to represent the USS Bozeman of the Soyuz starship class. The modifications were designed by Greg Jein and Mike Okuda, but not permanently affixed to the model, allowing to reappear as the USS Saratoga in Deep Space Nine's pilot, Emissary.

Miranda-class ships that appeared in later Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager episodes were CGI models, also designed as ILM.


See more at: http://www.startrek.com/article/forgotten-trek-designing-the-reliant-for-star-trek-ii#sthash.GFuWRo6Z.dpuf


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Reliant because it fits in with the show. In the show, there were only twelve Constitution Class starships like the Enterprise. The Reliant class shows another type of patrol ship, and there had to be others.

I don't remember where I saw it, but someone had made a TOS Reliant type starship model. It looked good too.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A different take on the history of this movie at

http://io9.gizmodo.com/inside-secrets-of-the-making-of-star-trek-ii-wrath-of-457250013
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud,

Fernando Lamas is NOT the same person as Ricardo Montalban!

It's still funny tho !!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
Bud,

Fernando Lamas is NOT the same person as Ricardo Montalban!

It's still funny tho !!

Oh, right. Embarassed

I got confused because, well . . . they both look MARVELOUS! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember where I read it. But I read that the Reliant design is upside down to what it was suppose to be. It was originally intended that the warp engines be above the saucer hull. It was change to make it visually different from the Enterprise, so the the two ships could be told apart at a glance.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting! You mean instead of looking like this?



it was originally supposed to look like this?



I must admit, I like the final design. Very Happy

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I had read in an interview with Nick Meyers back in the day (I don't recall now exactly where...so I may have this mixed up.)

You'll notice that that scene with Khan's little son was the baby crawling to the TRANSPORTER ! The tyke was to be saved at the last minute with Khan sending him to the Enterprise.

At the last minute in the filming it was decided that the death of Spock was the important element in the ending of the film and all reference to the son were editted out of the final cut so as to not complicate the issue.
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