Bud Brewster
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~ Here's another fun-filled debate about the concepts that Forbidden Planet gave us more than 60 years ago. My gosh, will we ever run out of revelations about this movie.
Probably not. 
~ Then I've invited everybody to join me at several elaborate "movie nights" I hosted at my house in the 1980s. Gosh, you just never know what will happen at those things! 
~ And finally, when are the finally going to make a version of Burroughs' Pellucidar novels that live up Frazetta's paintings?
Well, I guess we'll just have to keep hoping. 
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Forbidden Planet (1956)
| orzel-w wrote: | | It would seem to fall out, then, that the machine could create low energy manifestations from Morbius' subconscious while he was awake. |
Uh, I'm pretty sure the one that tried to break into the lab at the end was no "low energy manifestation".
Actually, the machine's creations aren't affected by the state of mind of the human, the way you described it.
The amount of power used was not dependent on, or determined by, Morbius' brain or his waking/sleeping state. The machine just read his thoughts, and IF it understood what he seemed to want (remember, he was a low-grade moron by Krell standers, according to Morbius himself), the Machine would produce something in response to his "request".
What Adams said was, "Consciously you still lacked the power to operate the big machine — but your subconscious had been made strong enough."
The problem was that the machine had trouble understanding what Morbius wanted, because his brain was so inferior to those of the Krell.
But once it understood that he was upset with the Bellerophon crew (and later the C-57-D crew), it sent the Id monster out to bump 'em off for him.
Once the machine determined what it should "make", it was able to use all the power at it's disposal to accomplish it's goal. That's what John tells Morbius at the end, when the Id monster is trying to break into the lab.
I think the reason the Id monster showed up at the end, even though Morbius was awake, is because he was so upset by the knowledge that his daughter was leaving with Adams, and Adams was making him realize that he was the catalyst which caused the Id monster to kill its victims.
His emotions were so strong in that situation that the machine was able to understand what he "wanted": to strike back at John and Altaira for angering him.
It was all just a great big misunderstanding. Sad situation, yes indeed.  ____________________________________________________________________
Earth vs the Flying Saucers (1956)
Back around 1985 my friends and I had a "movie night" in which we watched Earth vs the Flying Saucers and presented various projects to enhance the evening.
Larry Hanson created this delicious theme-related cake, complete with a little clay figure of a saucer-man. The event was also a going-away party for a friend who had enlisted in the Navy -- hence the Bon Voyage on the cake.
Jim Peavy (a member of this board and a featured artist in our Art and Photo Galleries section) created this saucer-man suit with Larry's help.
Larry (on the right) fashioned the helmet out of plaster, the same way Harryhausen did with the ones in the film.
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Jim's face doesn't normally look like it does in the picture. He was imitating this --
 
When Larry created the helmet, a small crack developed along the left edge in exactly the same spot as the one in Ray's version!
Larry once spoke with Harrhausen about the suit, and he jokingly told him that his replica of the helmet had developed a crack in the same spot as the one used in the movie.
Ray replied, "That's not a crack, it's a casting seam." ____________________________________________________________________
At the Earth's Core (1976)
I'm afraid I was less forgiving, Spike. Here's my take on this film.
Being a big Edgar Rice Burroughs's fan I really wanted to like this. I had all these vivid mental images in my head from reading the books and gazing in awe at the great Frank Frazetta paintings like these —
— but the movie broke my heart and left me very disappointed.
The film's somewhat miscast players and lackluster action are only part of the reason why this promising film from director Kevin Connor is a disappointment; the producers unwisely chose to leave out the most interesting aspects of the Burrough's Pelucidar concept.
Peter Cushing is Abner Perry, Doug McClure is David Innes, and Caroline Monroe is Diane the Beautiful in this British adaptation of the first novel in Edgar Rice Burrough's "Pelucidar" series.
Burrough's described Pelucidar as the inner surface of a hollow Earth, where "up" is toward the vacant center of the planet and "down" is outward towards the Earth's outer surface. In this film version, Pelucidar is just a large cavern with a forty-mile-high ceiling (an idea done much better in 1959's "Journey to the Center of the Earth").
The heroes are pitted against the intelligent reptilian overlords of Pelucidar (who look like featherless parrots). The clumsy, immobile monster suits are especially embarrassing when they try to fly on concealed wires.
These days Hollywood could create a great version of At the Earth's Core that would knock my socks off — but I'm still waiting for it.
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