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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 6:26 pm Post subject: TDtESS ~ The Four Worlds of tSolar System |
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~ A Question for the Members: Why did Klaatu say he'd traveled 250 million miles when he MUST have traveled many light years to reach Earth from the "other planets" he says have devised a way to completely eliminate aggression"?
~ Here's what I came up with.: I proposed an idea in the War of the Worlds thread that I'm rather proud of. The blue text below is copied from that post, followed by the black text which describes something I came up with yesterday that I think you guys are going to really enjoy.
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In this marvelous age of digital communications, computer generated images, binary data storage, and security cameras, we've come to rely on electronic eyes to do our seeing for us.
For example, when you really think about it, the only ACTUAL pictures we have of the planet Mars that are made through a ground-based telescope — rather than being transmitted from space — are the ones like this!
But just for fun, suppose Mars really looks like THIS. (Click on the image to get the bigger version so you can zoom in and see all the circular swimming pools the rich Martian folks have!)
And suppose there are fabulous Martian cities which look like THIS.
Now, hold on guys, I know what you're thinking!
"Bud, how can Mars look like THAT from space and have futuristic cities on the surface when we've seen pictures that clearly show it does NOT!?"
Yes, we HAVE seen pictures. They were pictures sent to us by radio transmissions from space. But were these transmissions really sent from sources like the Hubble telescope or the space probes which flew past the planet or the Martian rovers on the surface?
Or . . . were they actually fake images, sent to us by the Martians?
If there actually are Martians who live on a beautiful terraformed planet and they have a highly advanced technology, they would be aware that their nearest neighbor in space is dangerously hostile — even to each other on Earth!
So, wouldn't these advanced aliens hide there existence from us?
Hell's bells, of course they would!
And how would they do that?
It's simple!
They'd just block all the legitimate signals we think we're getting from space telescopes, spacecraft, and planetary rovers, and they'd replace them with clever CGI images of a dead world that could never pose a threat to Earth!
What I'm suggesting is that the only images of Mars we have that are real are the blurry ones from ground-based telescopes. All the rest are created by the Martians to make us think we're the only intelligent species in the solar system!
Think how easy it would be to simply destroy the approaching probes and start sending back bogus data that mimics what we expect to be getting. If a probe is supposed to take pictures of Mars from space, they just hijack the transmissions and substitute images of a dead world!
The same thing could be done with a Mars rover that's supposed to land and drive around on the surface. The Martian's simply create a computer program that acts like a video game in which the NASA controller on Earth drives a non-existent rover around on a non-existent dead world and takes pictures of the bogus desert landscape!
Compare this to the way our own video games give their users the same ability today and you'll see how easy it would be for these Martian geniuses to trick us into think we have rovers on Mars!
Admit it folks, this is all totally possible for an advanced race who wants to fool the silly humans into thinking Mars is desolate and dull so we won't be terrified that Martians might invade us!
Still think this is impossible? Well then, consider this.
Out of the 47 spacecraft that have been sent to Mars by the U.S. and other nations, 28 of them have failed! Only 19 have "succeeded" — or so we THOUGHT!
What if some of these were just destroyed by the Martians to simplify the hoax they were committing by making us think ANY of them had succeeded?
As for space telescopes like the Hubble, an advanced race who has terraform Mars and built fantastic cities would have no trouble placing a few devices in Earth orbit (hidden amidst all our satellites and space junk) to monitor any real incoming data about Mars and replace it with the bogus stuff that keeps us ignorant about the super-race living right next door.
Therefore, I respectfully suggest that we've been duped. The real Mars bears no resemblance to anything we've seen in those bogus photos they've tricked us with.
Lastly, there's this to consider.
In The Day the Earth Stood Still, Klaatu said he'd traveled 250 million miles to reach Earth. We've always thought that was a goof up, because it would mean Klaatu came from some planet inside the Solar System. Oops . . .
But wait! What if Klaatu came from that high-tech planet that's been hiding from us since the 1950s — Mars! (He took the long way around, leaving Mars when it was on the other side of the sun — you know, the scenic route).
Klaatu's race is worried about us developing atomic weapons and rockets because we're not that far away from them. After all, rockets and nukes wouldn't be a threat to a race in another star system. Right?
But they WOULD be a threat to a planet located right next door!
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Yesterday I suddenly realized that if a terraformed Mars which is inhabited by an advanced civilization has been hiding right under our noses for decades, what if they weren't the only advanced civilization on our solar system who wants to keep mankind ignorant of their existence!
With that in mind, I went to work "rethinking" the entire solar system and what might be out there cleverly disguising itself with hijacked data streams from our space telescopes and space probes.
Bear in mind, guys, that if an advanced civilization has replaced all the data we think we're getting from our own devices in space, then we've been cleverly fooled into believing a completely false version of everything we thought we knew about every planet in the solar system!
This is being done by the aliens because Earth is populated by a dangerous species who is rapidly developing more powerful weapons and more advanced spacecraft.
That's EXACTLY what Klaatu said "the other planets" were worried about!
And yet, all these years we've wondered why an interstellar society of advanced aliens was so concerned with Earth and our puny little missiles and atom bombs.
Guys, we completely missed the point!
If Klaatu only traveled 250 million miles to reach Earth, all the "other planets" he's talking about are right here in the solar system!
Gentlemen, if you're thinking — "Bud, that's just plain silly!" — I think you'll enjoy the following introduction to the REAL solar system . . . the one in which several advanced civilizations have conspired to hide their existence from us.
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VENUS
Venus’ cloud cover is completely artificial, a blanket of light-reflecting vapor which shields the surface of the planet from the rays of the sun and provides the Venusians with a pleasant “cloudy day” environment.
2~ Venus, with-and-without its Protective Vapor Layer.
It was first generated thousands of years ago by the Venusians, and it's been carefully maintained to protect the planet's surface. The reason it was needed is because a giant asteroid collided with the moon which Venus once had, sending the fragments spiraling into the sun.
This also caused the planet's rotation to slow dramatically.
A day on Venus is now 243 Earth days. That means there are only 0.92 Venusian days in a Venusian year. Since a Venusian year is only 225 Earth days, this means a Venusian DAY is longer than a Venusian YEAR by 18 Earth days!
(I didn't make that part up. Those are actual facts about the length of Venus's "day" and "year". But I came up the stuff about the moon it used to have. )
Without the cloud cover, the side of Venus which faced the sun would fry.
Naturally the Russian probe that allegedly landed on Venus and sent back pictures was destroyed by the Venusians, and fake images were sent to us.
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MERCURY
Surprise! Mercury isn’t really a planet!
It’s actually a spherical solar energy collector, created by the Venusians to transmit the energy to Venus. The solar panels on the "day side" collect the energy, while the power transmitters on the night side beam the energy to Venus.
Earth-based telescope can only observer the phases of Mercury, but not any details. I found this on Space.com
NASA's MESSENGER spacecraft was the first probe ever to orbit the planet Mercury. It arrived in orbit around the innermost planet in our solar system in 2011 and ended its mission in 2015 with a crash into the planet's surface. The probe snapped more than 200,000 photos of Mercury.
(Yep, those photos are all bogus, courtesy of the Venusians.)
Imagine what would have happened if we'd gotten images of Mercury . . . and it looked more like the Deathstar than a planet!
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MARS
~ Mars before being terraformed.
As I mentioned earlier, Mars was terraformed thousands of years ago, when the Martians realized that the planet was in danger of loosing its atmosphere. Its magnetic field was also failing as the core rotation slowed down, which meant the planet would be vulnerable to cosmic rays.
The Martians solved all these problems using their advanced technology.
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EUROPA – a moon of Jupiter
In the ocean below the frozen surface of Europa, a civilization was created by the aquatic life forms which evolved there. These life forms developed a high level of intelligence and an advanced technology.
Eventually they penetrated Europa’s icy shell and ventured out in spaceships which explored the solar system. They were delighted when they discovered other intelligent beings on both Mars and Venus!
Because their cities are aquatic and hidden by the frozen surface, images from space probes which fly paused Europa do not have to be replaced with fake pictures.
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TITAN – the largest moon of Saturn
2Titan is the second largest moon in our solar system. Only Jupiter's moon Ganymede is larger, by just 2 percent. Titan is bigger than Earth's moon, and even larger than the planet Mercury!
This mammoth moon is the only one in the solar system with a dense atmosphere, and it’s the only world besides Earth that has standing bodies of liquid — including rivers, lakes, and seas on its surface.
Like Earth, Titan’s atmosphere is primarily nitrogen, plus a small amount of methane. It is the only other place in the solar system known to have an earth-like cycle of liquids which rain down from its clouds. These liquids flow across the surface, fill the lakes and seas, and evaporate back into the sky — all of which is akin to Earth’s water cycle!
Titan is also thought to have a subsurface ocean of water!
Bingo!
For this reason, the intelligent beings who evolved in the subterranean ocean of Jupiter's icy moon, Europa, decided to establish a colony on Titan. The Europans genetically engineered a version of their own species, adapting them to the conditions in Titan’s subsurface ocean of water.
With help from the “home planet” (in this case, a “home moon”), the inhabitants of the colony on Titan survived and flourished — eventually establishing their own advanced civilization which ventured out into the Solar System and interacted peacefully with the civilizations on Mars, Venus, and their own parent world, Europa!
Like Europa, Titan's aquatic civilization is not visible from space, although several large well-hidden doorways open up to the spaceports below when their spacecraft travel to-and-from the the other three inhabited worlds.
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Meanwhile, the new comer to the solar system — the evolved ape-like creatures on the third planet — were watched closely by the alien beings on Venus, Mars, Europa, and Titan as the savage creatures on Earth slowly developed their own civilization and technology.
The alarming way the Earth creatures waged war with each other over the centuries caused a growing concern among the peaceful and cooperative species of the solar system.
Collectively they were concerned that this new species on the third planet might become a danger to the peaceful and cooperative races on Venus, Mars, Europa, and Titan.
To gather new data about this potential threat, these intelligent beings sent thousands of unmanned drones to the third planet to collect data about this troubling species.
All the UFOs’ which have puzzled mankind for decades were just autonomous drones which these various inhabited planets and moons sent here to monitor mankind’s progress and determine just how much of a threat we posed to the peace and security of the other civilizations in our solar system!
The great variety of UFOs spotted over the last seventy years is due in part to the fact that all four of the alien species were contributing their own drones to the tasks.
2Finally, a meeting was held by the leaders of the four alien civilizations, and they decided to send an ambassador to the third planet.
The ambassador was a genetically engineered being created by the aliens on Europe who had developed skills in that area when they created the version of their own race which become the colonists on Titan.
The ambassador to Earth was engineered to resemble a human, and he would be accompanied by a robotic “body guard” which would protect the ambassador if he was endangered in any way.
The robot body guard was created by the engineers on Mars, who excelled in this area.
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The ambassador’s mission was to deliver a warning to the leaders of Earth. The message stated that if they threatened the peace and security of the other civilizations in the solar system, Earth would be dealt with very severely.
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Gentlemen, I’ve just described a remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still which explains the “other planets” Klaatu said he represented, as well as why these planets were worried about the threat which mankind’s newly developed rockets and atomic bombs posed to the solar system's interplanetary civilizations!
Please note that these alien civilizations are not spread out across several star systems, many light years from Earth. They're all right here in our own solar system.
That’s why Klaatu said he’d only traveled “250 million miles” to reach Earth!
I propose that this concept would make a truly intelligent remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still (unlike the witless 2008 version).
It addresses all the concepts which the movie proposed, and it even explains the mystery of UFOs in a manner which doesn't violate the laws of physic, because it eliminates any need for spaceships which travel faster than light.
Please note that I've deliberately omitted the idea that Gort was a member of the aliens' "police force" which patrolled the planets and "acted automatically at the first sign of aggression."
In this version, the aliens do not foolishly abdicate their right to govern their own behavior! I've never liked that aspect of The Day the Earth Stood Still, so in this version I put Gort in his proper place — a robot that follows orders!
Guys, I'm really hoping you'll add your comments about this concept, including any dissenting opinions, alternate versions, or correction in what I hope is some reasonably accurate science!  _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)

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Since the post above has been waiting quite some time for a reply, I decided to re-post it just to find out if our members could add a few new thoughts.
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Pow wrote: | I was thinking that any civilization that possessed such astonishing technology wouldn't even have to destroy any probes sent to it from planet Earth.
I would think that they could figure out the landing locations for such probes and arrange for it to "appear" to land there just as planned by the human scientists. The probe is now enveloped inside a hologram of what the residents of the planet want humans to see as opposed to the reality of their culture. |
Yes indeed, Mike! That would work like a charm!
By the way, I was really glad to see that you liked the idea.
Personally, I lean towards the idea that the space probes and Mars rovers simply ceased to exists, after which all the commands sent to them are intercepted by the aliens on one of the four planets, who would then "reply" with whatever data the probes or rovers WOULD have transmitted back!
In the case of video images from the probe-or-rover cameras, the aliens would simply create CGI images of the dead (and therefore harmless) planets the aliens want us to see.
This would include anything a moving rover would see as it traveled over the surface. NASA would never realize they were just taking a "virtual tour" of a nonexistent landscape!
Of course, the aliens would have to study the probes and rovers carefully before destroying them, so they could accurately duplicate all it's functions.
Pow wrote: | Do your inhabitants of these other planets within our solar system look anything like us? Are we all somehow related in some manner? |
Oh, heck no! Where's the fun in that? I want full-on, truly wacky alien designs — aliens who all evolved independently on their home planets.
Personally I don't subscribe to the idea some folks on All Sci-Fi have proposed, the one which claims that the human form is sort of "destined" to evolve as a species becomes more intelligent, just because our bodies are allegedly so perfectly adapted.
That seems a bit like claiming blue is the best color . . . because it's my favorite.
So, the Martians and Venusians might look like any of these creatures —
— and the aquatic aliens from Europa and Titan might look like one of these.
Remember that the ones on Titan are genetically modified versions of the Europans who established a colony on the moon of Saturn. So, both of them would look similar — but not identical.
However, the closest I'd want for the Venusian or the Martians to appear humanoid would be this handsome fellow! For some reason, he looks kind of like a Venusian to me, although I wasn't thinking that when I drew him in the 1990s.
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Pow wrote: | Were these planets ever at war with one another which resulted in their peace treaty and the "race of policemen" that patrol all these worlds? |
No — for two key reasons.
The first is that I want these four alien species to be much more noble than our own savage, intolerant, self-destructive race! Think of them as being four almost Krell-like aliens.
As you pointed out earlier, the viewer should understand that all the aliens are completely justified in fearing the war-mongering humans — and thus absolutely justified in going to great lengths to hide their own existence from the Earthlings.
We're the bad guys of the solar system! And we're extremely fortunate that the aliens on all four worlds haven't done what Klaatu said Gort would do!
Reduce our planet to a burned out cinder!
The second reason that I strongly object to the idea that the aliens of the four worlds have created a "police force" of robots like Gort is that this idea has always struck me as downright cowardly!
Basically, Klaatu's interstellar coalition of planets just gave up trying to take responsibility for the evil acts of their multi-species members. So they created soulless robots who were programed to destroy anyone who violated their inflexible rules of conduct.
I'm sure that any good judge in an American court understands that situations are never black-and-white.
Here's a simple example. A wife who buys a gun and shoots her husband is guilty of murder in the eyes of the law.
But if the wife has endured violent abuse from her husband — as well the abuse he's inflicted on her young children — then her "act of murder" becomes an "act of self-defense".
So, here's my point.
If Gort really was capable of "reducing the Earth to a burned out cinder" just because one military policeman shot a fleeing man who was considered dangerous — then Klaatu's society has a deeply flawed system of justice!
And so, Mike, what I want is for the citizens of the Four Worlds of the Solar System to be as noble as the Krell!
Despite being as physically different as the drawings I displayed above, these alien species have banded together, and they're guarding themselves from mankind in a way that protects both US as well as them!
For me, the true beauty of this concept is that Earth has no idea it's surrounded by alien civilizations who have turned our solar system into a miniature version of Star Trek's Federation of Planets!
These aliens have interacted flawlessly, and they have cooperated admirably to solve monumental problems which have benefited their entire coalition!
And yet they have no need for warp drives, powerful weapons, or defensive shields! But they do have a Prime Directive — and they're applying it to us!
We're the immature, barely evolved apes who spend all our time and resources trying to kill each other!
These wise and noble citizens of the Four Worlds of the Solar System have refrained from eradicating mankind — desperately hoping that in another thousand years mankind might become wise and mature enough to join the other species who have worked together for eons for the mutual benefit of all their citizens!
Mike, I really think I'm onto something with this idea. I wish there was a movie or TV studio who could appreciate what a great concept this is. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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