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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (2002) |
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This one is my third favorite of the Star Wars movies, behind "A New Hope" (for reasons partly due to nostalgia) and "Return of the Jedi" (just because it's good).
"Attack of the Clones" works pretty hard to be a true Star Wars movie, and it gets it mostly right. Admittedly I think having Yoda leap around like Tinker Bell during the climatic fight was way over the top. They rub our noses in this fact when, after the fight, Yoda slowly picks up his cane and starts hobbling along like he usually does.
A funny scene, yes — but it wasn't the right place for a gag.
The arena battle was a show-stopper, no complaints there. All in all, this was quite a rousing visit to the galaxy far, far away. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Bud, but I felt that Lucas lost his mojo with episodes 1, 2, 3 of SW.
Visually they are absolutely stunning to behold, no question about it. Then there's the scripting.
It just isn't as powerful as the FX. It isn't terrible but Lucas does not recapture that lightning in a bottle magic of excitement that he did with episodes 4, 5, 6.
Perhaps no one could duplicate such a feat. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Dang, these things are funny!
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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While watching this movie today I noticed something puzzlin concerning C-3PO.
In The Phantom Menace we see young Anakin Skywalk building C-3PO, but he's not yet complete. Anakin leaves him on Tatoonine with his mother, and we don't see him again until grownup Anakin and Padmé Amidala arrive on Tatooine and go to the moisture farm of Cliegg Lars to find Anakin's mother. There they also meet young Owen Lars and his girlfriend Beru, the "aunt and uncle" who raised Luke.
Here's the weird part.
C-3PO is owned by the Lars family, who acquired him when Clieg married Anakin's mother. He was owned by the family for all the years Clieg and Shmi Skywalker were married, which was quite a long time according to the smelly little alien who owned Anakin and Shmi Skywalker before he sold her to Clieg.
And yet, in A New Hope we see the older Owen Lars buy C-3PO from the Jawa's, and he gives no indication that he remembers ever owning a protocol droid years earlier. In fact, Owen acts like he's never seen a droid like C-3PO before!
"I suppose you're programmed for etiquette and protocol!"
I know that C-3PO was told he was to have a memory wipe at the end of Revenge of the Sith, so he didn't remember his past life, but shouldn't Owen and Beru have remembered owning C-3PO when he first met him in A New Hope?
Curious, eh?
I actually like The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, but Revenge of the Sith starts spirally down the drain as soon as Anakin begins spouting a lot of crap about how he can't live without Padmé, and the whole movie is flushed right down the toilet when Anakin suddenly goes postal by cutting off Mace Windu's hand and heads for the Jedi temple to slaughter all the adorable little "younglings".
By the end that movie I was groaning and rolling my eyes when Darth Sideous was in such a rush to create Darth Vader he slaps on the prosthetic limbs and the whole Vader outfit without even removing the charred clothing from poor Anakin's barbecued body, much less cleaning up the burned flesh and giving him several months to form scar tissue!
Can you imagine how quickly infection would have set in and killed the Dark Lord of the Sith?
However, I recently learned that my objection to the idea that little Anakin Skywalker could end up marrying Padmé when he would be 20 and she be about 30 (and looking no different than she did 10 years earlier) was not valid.
According to the official facts on this matter, Padmé Amidala was only 14 when she was queen of Naboo, so she was 24 when she began her ill-fated romance with the man who went crazy trying to "save her" and then caused her death (somehow) when he thought she'd betrayed him.
Just to finish out these objections to my least favorite Star Wars movie, Padmé manages to give birth to two adorable babies, name them both, and then die because she "lost the will to live".
So much for strong maternal instincts, eh? ![Rolling Eyes](images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif) _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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In one of the old SW books, C-3PO talked about how he had belonged to the Organa family for a long time, and had never had his mind wiped. He theorized that this is why he had had so little in common with other robots and preferred the company of humans. Not cannon, I know, but still interesting.
Anakin may have constructed C3PO, but he did it from found parts. Makes you wonder about C-3PO's past life.
One thing that the Force Awakens did for me, was to give me an appreciation for the prequel trilogy which I never had before.
On of the things about the new films, is that I am finding many of the props to be cheap looking, and somewhat unimaginative. To me they look like what they are, airsoft guns with parts crudely bolted to it. They are more like something from a cheap SW rip-off.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Clearly the "skin" covering of a droid could be enhanced, upgraded, and just plain completely eliminated and replaced.
Owen may have never seen C-3PO as a protocol droid and just utilized him as a vaporator repair specialist. How he left Owen's service and came to be in the care of the service of the Organa's may BE A STORY IN ITSELF. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Gord Green wrote: | Owen may have never seen C-3PO as a protocol droid and just utilized him as a vaporator repair specialist. How he left Owen's service and came to be in the care of the service of the Organa's may BE A STORY IN ITSELF. |
Ah, actually there's no mystery about that.
After C-3PO and Anakin are reunited on the Skywalker farm (as seen in the picture on my previous post), he goes with Anakin, Padmé, and R2-D2 (still in the dark and dirty "skin") to rescue Obi-Wan, where the big climax took place with the monsters in the arena. (Great FX!)
Remember how his head was placed on a droid soldier's body for a while? He looks significantly cleaner by that time.
Sometime after that, we see him in the service of Padmé on Coruscant, all shined up and looking good.
At the end of the movie, when baby Luke is taken to Tatooine and baby Leia is taken to Alderaan to be adopted by Senator Bail Organa (Jimmy Smits), we see the scene below (a screen grab from the Youtube clip).
Senator Organ tells the captain of his private ship (the ship we see the droids on at the very beginning of A New Hope), to take charge of the droids, and to have the protocol droid's memory wiped.
__ Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Ending
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Of course memory wipes could be selective. Just like deleting files from your computer doesn't wipe out the operating system, C-3PO's memory of certain segments could be removed without touching other areas. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, that's absolutely true! Why didn't I think of that? Just because C-3PO was given a memory wipe doesn't mean they left absolutely nothing in his memory banks.
Good one, Master Greenobi! ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ ____________
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I am your Padawan, Master.
I'm only pointing out what the Force reveals to me. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I think you're ready to be tested, Gordy-Wan! Here's your first question.
1. Luke's landspeeder is traveling at 60 mph, in search of R2-D2, who is 10 miles ahead, traveling at 2 mph. How far will the landspeeder have to travel before it finally catches the little droid? _________________ ____________
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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At 60mhp the landspeeder covers the 10 miles in 10 minutes. However R2D2 travels 1/3 of a mile in that time.
Since you did not supply the vector, if R2D2 is traveling AWAY from the landspeeder it must travel 10 1/3 mile to catch up. If the little plug is traveling TOWARD the landspeeder it must cover 9 2/3 miles.
Any other variation in the angle vector of R2D2's movement would be somewhere in between.
AND the time required to meet up would be 10 1/3 minutes in the first case, 9 2/3 minutes in the second.
Editing is like time travel !
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Well . . . ummm . . . no my padawan learner, I'm afraid you flunked the test.
The landspeeder is traveling at 60 mph, which is one mile per minute. The problem states that R2-D2 is 10 miles ahead. He's traveling directly away from Owen Lars' farm, towards the home of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
The landspeeder would reach R2-D2's position from where he was, 10 minutes earlier, in just 10 minutes. During that 10 minutes, R2-D2's velocity of 2 mph would carry him an additional 1/3 mile.
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2 mph means 2 miles in one hour. 10 minutes is one 1/6th of an hour. If R2-D2 was traveling at 1 mph, he'd travel only 1/6 of a mile in 10 minutes.
But since R2-D2 was traveling at 2 mph, he traveled twice as far . . . or 1/3 of a mile in 10 minutes.
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So, Luke's landspeeder would need to travel an additional 1/3 of a mile to catch up with R2-D2 after reaching his initial position, 10 miles from the farm when Luke set out after him.
10 miles plus 1/3 of a mile is 10.33 miles total.
I'm sorry my padawan learner, but you've not yet attained the rank of master.
Update Oct 2018: I think Gord corrected his math above after I posted my reply, because we clearly said the same thing, but his next reply didn't mention that. ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ ____________
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, but R2 is going downhill and Tuscan raiders tripped him so he rolled for a while!
And I'm not sure I understand this :
Quote: | 2 mph means 2 miles in one hour, or 1/6 of a mile in one hour. Which is 1/3 of a one mile in one hour. |
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I clarified my explanation above a little. Read it through again. I did have that part worded wrong. _________________ ____________
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