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Robert (Butch) Day
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 Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't find it! EADIE did!
She was visiting (she now lives 42 miles away because of school) and wanted to watch Forbidden Planet.
She also speculates that the landing leads to a hidden door (kind of like the one leading to the study) behind which is the missing (actually unseen) bathroom. Her reasoning is fairly sound. This way no one pee's in the pool!
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Bud Brewster
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Robert (Butch) Day wrote: | | She also speculates that the landing leads to a hidden door (kind of like the one leading to the study) behind which is the missing (actually unseen) bathroom. Her reasoning is fairly sound. This way no one pee's in the pool! |
Interesting idea, but the wall at the landing is a rock face, so I don't guess the bathroom would be there.
But, by gum there's got to be a bathroom somewhere in the house — three in fact, one downstairs and one for each of the upstairs bedrooms.
I also think there would be a well-appointed kitchen somewhere, despite Robby's awesome skills at rustling up grub for the family. Cooking can be a fun activity that a father and daughter could enjoy together.
And besides, there must be a place to store food and beverages that Robby has already prepared. Robby wouldn't be sent off to his "laboratory" to manufacture something every time Morbius or Altaira wanted a beverage and a snack.
The question is, where would we locate the kitchen and the downstairs bathroom in this awesome 3D floor plan?
The left side, as viewed from this angle, is the "4th wall", the direction the camera often viewed the interior from, and the direction it never looked towards.
It occurred to me that the area of the house where we might put the kitchen and bathroom would be located in that direction. I extended the floor plan to the left and stuck in some walls just to see what it might look like.
I think the bathroom could be in the small area behind the garbage disposal (the front of which is on the other side of the wall, near the table), and the kitchen would be the larger area to the left of that.
The upper left corner of the new area I created looks like a great place for a nice home theater — where Morbius and his daughter could enjoy movies that included those "mad scientists of the taped thrillers!"
And using this nice diagram of the floor plan, I placed a yellow semi-circle to indicate where the shutters were located, wrapping around the open part of the house from the pool area (at the bottom) to the living room area (at the top).
Note that the stairs are indeed well outside the shutter barrier, just as our brilliant Eadie deduced!
Amazing! 
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orzel-w
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That could be a combination kitchen and Robby maintenance shop (such as for "oil jobs"). Then he could recycle the cooking oil. Or recycle his lube oil. Whatever.
Speaking of the disposal unit... I got to thinking about how garbage is introduced into its vertical orientation. It's pretty easy for Morbius to toss something in. But wouldn't Robby be the chief disposer of garbage? So how's he gonna toss something into the unit? Maybe he does a quick swivel from the waist as he lets go of the waste?
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Robert (Butch) Day
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| Bud Brewster wrote: | | ... I placed a yellow semi-circle to indicate where the shutters were located, wrapping around the open part of the house from the pool area (at the bottom) to the living room area (as the top). |
Also the shutters extend along the straight wall from the circle at the top and bottom.
HOWEVER
Here is a close-up of the 'Residence':
At the right side of the house is an extension:
This is the area that Robby comes from when summoned by the "beamer":
This is probably Robby's lab.
I have no objection to the bathroom being behind a rock wall. Why?
1) Privacy. REAL privacy!
2) A safe room when the shutters are activated!
Look again:
The home theater could be in that long roofed-over area at the left!
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Gord Green
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:47 pm Post subject: the residence |
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That could well be.
In the novelization it stated that Morbius had a bed chamber near the office as well. Possibly just a small room with a bed and wardrobe/dresser area. That may be behind the 'fourth wall in the office.
But what I've always been interested in is just where do the stairs lead? The upper area (under the dome) probably contains Alta's bedroom as well as the bedroom Morbius shared with his late wife.
When you really look at the lower area it seems to be mainly an open area (are there windows in those spaces between the green triangles?) before the shutters close it up.
When Adams returns at night it is implied that the only way in is through the entrance.
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Bud Brewster
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| Gord Green wrote: | | Has anyone ever done any drawings of the upper level? |
Since no blue prints were drawn for the upper level, any guesses about it's structure would be pure speculation.
We do see Altair go upstairs after ordering the dress from Robby and he says, "Sleep well, Miss Alta."
And she comes down from the second floor with a few personal items she's taking with her after deciding to leave with Adams. So, clearly the upstairs does hold the sleeping quarters.
As for your speculations, Butch, about the matte painting and how it compares to the set, we run into problems trying to do that because the painting has several discrepancies when compared to the set itself.
For example, you mentioned the extension in front on the left.
| Robert (Butch) Day wrote: | | The home theater could be in that long roofed-over area at the left! |
That's actually supposed to be the front entrance, but the set includes no cover over the driveway like the one shown in the painting.
| Butch wrote: | | At the right side of the house is an extension. This is the area that Robby comes from when summoned by the "beamer". |
Well, sort of. The rectangular projection on the right side is in about the right place for the living room/dinning room. Robby came out from behind the disposal unit when Altaira called him —
— which is the area I suggested might be the bathroom, but that doesn't mean it couldn't also be equipped with something Robby would use to give himself an oil job. 
Or, as Wayne pointed out, perhaps Robby recycles the cooking oil from the kitchen (located just beyond the bathroom in my hypothetical floor plan) and he uses it as a lubricant.
However, I suspect Robby's comment was just a bit of humor thrown in, not to be taken seriously.
Another troubling difference between the matte painting and the set is caused by the fact Morbius' study obviously must have been built into the face of a cliff, because the tunnel to the Krell lab is on the same level as the house itself!
But the right side of the house (where Morbius' study would be located), is not up against a cliff.
However, the opposite side of the house, where the stairs to the second floor are located, does have a rock face visible inside the house , even though the painting doesn't seem to show a cliff against the left side either! (Admittedly it's hard to be sure about this.)
However, the shutters do NOT curve around the whole right side of the interior as I originally thought. Watch the shutter scene carefully and you'll see that the shutters start at the right side of the pool entrance (as viewed from inside the house) and move to the left.
Then they make a right turn after covering the big picture windows and continue across the pool entrance to cover it as well, forming a 45?? angle in the middle, which occurs at about the point where they pass the green V which supports the house.
On the opposite side of room, the left-hand section of the shutters ends near Morbius and the three men, close to the door which leads into Morbius' study.
We only see the shutters unfolding across the pool entrance and the big windows next to it. But the next shot shows them completing their coverage of the area on the opposite side of the living room (now on the left side of the V shaped support structure).
This second section of the shutters covers the front entrance and the opaque windows behind the table, near the men in the living room. This section also forms a 45?? angle in the middle, at about the point were Jerry Farman's shoulder is located in the picture above.
Based on this, we now see that the shutters actually deploy in two separate sections simultaneously, moving across the two places where the house is open to the outside — the main entrance and pool entrance. This means they do not cut off the stairway from the living room, as we'd previously thought.
I've corrected my diagram to show that the two sections of the shutters are located where the yellow lines are shown below.
This makes much more sense, design wise, although it does leave a gap in the defensive shield at the landing on the stairs, where it opens onto the pool area.
Perhaps a separate shutter plugs this gap, or the shutter array might continued around the corner and cover this opening as well.
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Bud Brewster
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A few of the scenes in Forbidden Planet that required complex processing for the special effects are noticeably less sharp and colorful, an unfortunate result of the technology used in that era.
Notice the color of the green support structure behind Morbius in this shot —
— compared to this scene which involved FX processing.
Here's another example, this time with a "restored and corrected" version done by me, below the original screen shot.
Add to this the fact that the original negative of the film was destroyed in an MGM fire (if I'm remembering correctly from the Cinefantastique article), so we'll never see a Blu-ray that looks as sharp as it should be.
This is a case where the "original version" of the film can't be presented, and therefore modern technology could (and should) be used to rectify this sad situation as much as possible.
Plus, we all know the movie was rushed into release when the studio heads decided that too much money was being spent on the film, so we ended up with visible flaws the producers would have corrected if they had been allowed.
Here's an enhanced screen shot of the scene in which Robby zaps the simian fruit bandit. Compare it to the way your Blu-ray looks. Bare in mind that the clarity will be better on your TV, but I doubt the color will be this vivid — and this is how is was supposed to look.
Click on the picture to see the 1,024px version in the Forbidden Planet gallery, located about halfway down the page.
I know somebody is going to tell me we shouldn't tamper with the work that was done in the past. To that I reply, "Why the hell not? If you don't like the results, don't look at them." Today's technology allows every work of art to be a "work in progress", open ended and constantly evolving.
And as an artist myself, I really love that.
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Robert (Butch) Day
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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A Forbidden Planet Funny:
Robby: Coffee, Miss Alta?
Atlaira: Which brand is it?
Robby: Maxwell House?
Altaira: Maxwell House?
Robby: Yes. It's good 'til the last Krell drops.
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They sure drank a lot of coffee back then. Re-imagine this with Starbuck's expresso!
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Robert (Butch) Day
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Maurice
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Bud Brewster wrote: | I know somebody is going to tell me we shouldn't tamper with the work that was done in the past. To that I reply, "Why the hell not? If you don't like the results, don't look at them." Today's technology allows every work of art to be a "work in progress", open ended and constantly evolving.
And as an artist myself, I really love that. |
The only issue I have with such "tampering" is when the altered versions utterly supplant the originals so there IS no choice to go back to the original version, as Lucas tried to do.
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orzel-w
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If Lucas couldn't get back to the original versions, he had only himself to blame. He had the technology to preserve the original versions before making any alterations.
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Bud Brewster
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I watched my DVDs of Star Wars episodes IV, V, and VI about a week ago, and noticed (again) the second DVD that came with each one, which had the "original versions" of all three movies.
Unfortunately, the dirty rotten despicable thing they did with these DVDs was reduce the picture quality to point where they're an absolute mess. It's a deliberate insult to the fans who are interested in seeing the original version of the first three movies.
It's like they're saying, "Oh, so you want to see the original versions, eh? Here ya go, pal. Enjoy yourself." 
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| Robert (Butch) Day wrote: | | It seems as if M-G-M might be using a cloned Robby. The head and arms look odd. |
We all know that only one Robby existed until duplicates were built by fans, many years later. It does seem like the lower third of Robby's chest panel looks odd, but the photo is too blurry to be certain.
However, this is a real puzzle for another reason. The eBay seller claims this is from a 1956 newspaper, and the article claims that Robby was in England.
The white area behind Robby's head and shoulders has been crudely painted out -- so crudely in fact that Robby's head has been noticeably narrowed in the process.
Since I find it hard to believe that MGM actually shipped Robby over to England for any kind of promotion, I think the picture was taken in Hollywood and doctored up (badly) before being used in what was probably a phony news story right here in America.
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| Bud Brewster wrote: | | The white area behind Robby's head and shoulders has been crudely painted out -- so crudely in fact that Robby's head has been noticeably narrowed in the process. |
The dome is also much too tall above the gyros.
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Bud Brewster
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Maurice wrote: | | The dome is also much too tall above the gyros. |
Yep, I noticed that too. I have no idea why it looks that way. I suppose it's possible that the person who painted out the background accidentally painted out the top of his head and then made it too high when he tried to paint it back in.
But whoever did the alterations did such a piss-poor job of it, the top of his head would look badly painted as well.
Guess this will remain just one more unsolved mystery connected with Forbidden Planet.
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| Maurice wrote: | | The dome is also much too tall above the gyros. |
The dome looks too tall, because of how part of it was painted out, and because you can't see the light above the gyros. If you look at the photo of Robby in Bud's post, Robby appears to be leaning back, which makes the dome look shorter than in the photo next to it.
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