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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador

Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 1377 Location: Arlington, WA USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:14 am Post subject: The Aspect Ratio Problem |
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On the old board I often complained that we did not get the full picture when watching older movies on DVDs and BDs on our TVs. This might help.
Aspect ratios and usable film area:
Comparison of the most common film sizes:
Various aspect ratios as seen on both old TVs and new TVs:
What you would see with the two most common widescreen sizes and a 16:9 TV and an old 4:3 TV of equivalent sizes:
Now think of how much is cut off on 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (1954) and Forbidden Planet (1956) [both CinemaScope 55]; Robinson Crusoe On Mars (1964) and Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea (1961) [both CinemaScope]; The Space Children (1958) [1.85:1] and THEM! (1954) [1.75:1}.
Amazingly THEM! is almost always shown in 1.33 [4:3] which is smaller than the Academy Standard used at the time of 1.37:1!
And to "insult-to-injury" most DVDs and BDs list the filma as "original aspect" of 1.85:1!
Brent, you're our resident expert on this. Any comments, clarifications and corrections? _________________ Common Sense ISN'T Common |
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Brent Gair Mission Specialist
Joined: 21 Nov 2014 Posts: 466
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Aspect Ratio Problem |
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Robert (Butch) Day wrote: |
Amazingly THEM! is almost always shown in 1.33 [4:3] which is smaller than the Academy Standard used at the time of 1.37:1!
And to "insult-to-injury" most DVDs and BDs list the filma as "original aspect" of 1.85:1!
Brent, you're our resident expert on this. Any comments, clarifications and corrections? |
I will adress "THEM!" as an issue by itself.
I have jpegs of two documents relating to the aspect ratio of THEM! I don't have them uploaded to a hosting site but I am reading them on my computer. If requested, I can upload the jpegs of the documents. Both jpegs come from a lengthy series by Bob Furmanek of The Widescreen Museum.
The earliest document, and the one cited by many people is a Warner Brothers inter-office communication dated 25 September 1953. It contains the wording, "...and should be shot to allow for a 1.75:1 aspect ratio." It did not specify that ratio as an absolute.
Late 1953 was just before the widespread switch to matted widescreen and various studios were experimenting with different ratios (for example, Paramount was initially pushing 1.66:1). As Furmanek states, "...Warner Bros. made no early committment to any specific cropped ratio but gradually the industry evolved towards 1.85:1..."
Indeed, while that first 1953 memo "allowed" for 1.75:1, when 1954 arrived, Warner was adopting 1.85:1. A trade paper from 1954 (again, I have the jpeg) lists THEM! as 1.85:1.
It is normal policy at Warner Brothers to "open up" 1.85 aspect ratios to 1.78 when transferred to Blu-ray. And the THEM! Blu-ray is, in fact 1.78:1. So the Blu-ray is a very good compromise between the originally suggested 1.75 and the likely theatrical release of 1.85. |
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scotpens Space Sector Commander

Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 919 Location: The Left Coast
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Just to confuse things further, in the early sound era the standard Academy frame was made narrower to accommodate the optical soundtrack, giving an almost-square aspect ratio of 1.2:1. By 1931, camera film gates were made slightly smaller overall, restoring the aspect ratio to 1.37:1 while still leaving room for the soundtrack.
Whew! It's enough to make you dizzy. |
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