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[Krel]

But they did remake "Forbidden Planet" back in 92 or 94. It was very low budget, and they ran out of money and couldn't finish the SPFX.

A few years back they were selling costumes, photos and other items on eBay.

We even had a a thread on the remake on the old board. I thought it was remade here, but I can't find it.

It does bring up an interesting question. Is it a legitimate remake, if they were never able to complete it, or release it?

They have also tried to launch more F.P. remakes over the years, but fortunately they have all died on the vine like the "Have Space Suit, Will Travel" attempt back in the 90s.

David.

[Bud Brewster]

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I guess if a production isn't completed, it's just re-half-made.
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[tmlindsey]

The 2002 Time Machine has a great soundtrack and a great-ish (over-done) time machine design, but I don't think the film itself is good.

Far too many deviations from the source (though I'd consider the book somewhat un-filmable if trying to do a slavishly devoted adaptation. There were also far too many executives inserting their "creativity" into this. Another example of film-making by committee with poor results.

I don't understand Guy Pierce's appeal as an actor and think he's terribly wooden in this.

The Morlocks looks ridiculous and the Uber Morlock is unnecessary.

I will say that the final film as far-and-away better than the original script, with Orlando Jones as a battle android and mechanical squirrels that vomit eyeballs for the Morlocks to use to spy on the Eloi with

For me, the Pal version is far superior.

I'd read that there was a sequel in the works for the 2002 version, but it obviously hasn't happened; which is too bad since they could have corrected course with a sequel and made something good.

Maybe.
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[scotpens]

[tmlindsey]

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I must respectfully disagree, sir. I think the remake stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the 1960 version (which changes the book in many ways as well), and the machine itself is the most beautiful science fiction prop in movie history.





Ah well . . . different strokes.

The scenes (and the great music) of his future are pure cinematic gold.

I also love the incredible complexity of the machine; the four spinning glass concave disks which rotate in opposite directions, the brass fittings (brilliantly "steam punk"), the mechanical "temporal speedometer", the force field that formed around the machine, the retractable legs . . . on and on, a masterpiece of engineering.

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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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[tmlindsey]

I like the machine in concept, but as Wah Chang said (I'm told) when he saw it 'too busy, too much to take in visually', which I completely agree with.

But I still have tons of photos of the prop someone sent me, just the same!

We'll just have to disagree on the film itself
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[Bud Brewster]

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Wow, it's the complexity of the machine and all the movements it makes that I love! It really looks like something capable of "breaking the time barrier".

With respect to Mr. Change, his statement that there is "too much to take in visually" is a bit like saying the Grand Canyon is too "grand", and he'd like it better if it were smaller and not so darn deep.

The reason our Forbidden Planet thread is 135 pages long is because the members of All Sci-Fi have studied every detail of the sets, the props, and the concepts the movie presents.

And we never want to stop finding new things!

But I respect your opinion of the 2002 Time Machine, so your right that we'll just honor the idea of "to each his own".
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[Bud Brewster]

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Dear Lord, you must be kidding!

The brightly polished brass components demonstrate the loving care which Professor Alexander Hartdegen (Guy Pearce) lavished on his "labor of love" — in this case, quite literally, since this wondrous machine was specifically created to travel back in time and prevent the ruthless murder of his beloved fiance!

Consider the look on his face during the marvelous scene when he first embarks on his quest into future, desperately hoping to find out why he can't succeed in preventing her death — even with a time machine!

When I first saw this movie, I disliked it intensely because I thought this aspect of the plot was ridiculous!

But later I understood the scene with Uber Morlock (Jeremy Irons), in which Jeremy explained the temporal cause-and-effect loop that is so important to this story. As I'm sure you know, it goes like this.

~ Alexander was devastated by the death of his fiance.

~ This devastation drove him to create the time machine.

~ He used the time machine to go back and prevent her murder.

~ However, she dies anyway when an automobile runs her down.

But why the hell did that happen?

~ Because if the "younger Alexander" did NOT need to save his fiance, then the older Alexander would NOT be driven to created the time machine . . . and therefore he would NOT arrive to save her!

~ Therefore, the young lady had to die, because that was what drove the younger Alexander to invent the time machine. Therefore, his older self would not need to save his fiance, thus preventing his younger self from needing to create the time machine . . . which meant that his fiance would NOT be saved . . .

Does all this make sense?

If all that stuff above is confusing, I'll try to make it shorter.

No murder mean no time machine. No time machine means the girl dies — in some manner. Her death motivates Alexander to build the time machine to save her . . . which has to happen, because if she doesn't die, then he will NOT invent a time machine!

That is the beauty of this movie! It offers a true "time machine paradox" more intriguing than anything in the 1960 version. And it's also something the H.G. Wells book never did either.

So, any complaints about this movie "straying from the original novel" and being so different from the original movie should consider the fascinating NEW story elements it contributed.
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[Bud Brewster]

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This movie ends in a remarkably satisfying manner, and it leaves the viewer wonderng what comes next for the main characters — Alexander Hartdegen, Mara, and Kalen (the brother of Mara).

Obviously the life of the Eloi is going to be much better now that those ugly, cannibalistic Morlocks are no longer going to be preying on them.

The Eloi proved that they were intelligent, industrious, brave, and resilient. They maintained a stable society — in spite of the fact that monsters were popping out of the ground periodically to snatch a few of them and turn them into dinner . . .

But a sequel would present the events which occurred as the Eloi prospered with the help of Alexander Hartdegen, a man who believed that mankind could achieve great things.

Naturally this story would need some kind of conflict — a set-back or threat which the Eloi must deal with. But in view of the fact that the Eloi defeated the Morlocks (with Alexander's help) means they would meet this new challenge and succeed against it.

So, what would the challenge be?

Come on, guys! All Sci-Fi is supposed to be the place where intelligent people present new ideas. So . . . let's hear what new ideas you've got!
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[Morbius]

Seen both versions several times. Love time travel movies. Both versions to me are fantastic. Always a question to me, Fate or Chance and Circumstance?

[Bud Brewster]

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Well golly-gosh-aroony, Tom!

If that's the case, then you certainly should join this weekend for All Sci-Fi's Friday Live Chat and ASF’S Saturday Night at the Movies!
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[Gord Green]

Both downloads have expired.
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There comes a time, thief, when gold loses its lustre, and the gems cease to sparkle, and the throne room becomes a prison; and all that is left is a father's love for his child.

[Bud Brewster]

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Gord, the chat referred to above took place back in 2022, and I just "bumped" this thread by reposting the message to keep All Sci-Fi from being completely dead.

Apparently all but a few of our members are on vacation for the summer.

Either that or I've been wasting the last 17 years trying to attract intelligent and imaginative member who actually add posts.

However, I've uploaded the two time travel movies again to WeTransfer and updated the links above — just to show my appreciation for your post.

Thanks for helping me keep my dream alive, old friend.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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