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[Morbius]

This idea comes from a continuation of Forbidden Planet. The fantastic Krell machine with its ability to replicate matter (is the term “no instrumentalities”) in a supreme survival instinct, replicates itself to a neighboring planet just before Altair explodes.

On this nearby planet there is now an artificial intelligence, “20 miles X 20 miles X 20 miles” with fantastic capabilities. This machine has become self-aware and furthermore has realized that humans are a threat to its existence. It determines that the only insurance for self-survival is the elimination of the race that came to destroy it, the human race.

It creates an army of ID monsters set out to destroy humanity. To combat this threat, a Krell weakness must be found, and to do this any and all information about the Krell must be found. Archeological expeditions are sent out to investigate past Krell occupations so that a history of the Krell can be known.

[tmlindsey]

If the Krell traveled to other planets, as stated, might they not have colonies? Even if they fell to the same Id-induced extermination, the machines could still be there.

Perhaps they left a rudimentary version of the machine on Earth, which allowed for mankind's rapid technological development, or helped build the pyramids, etc.

No to go all Nutty Von Daniken on you or anything
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[Morbius]

The Krell were unknown to Earth. Morbius was the authority on the Krell, and of course he’s gone. Unknown as to how much information was retrieved about the Krell and available to earth.

So, there are a lot of possibilities as to how a plot can unfold to defeat the Krell machine and the ID monsters. Foremost would be to gain as much knowledge as possible about the enemy, and this in itself, could be an adventure. Robby may or may not be willing to share information depending on what residual loyalties may be embedded in his programing or circuits?

[tmlindsey]

Unknown to Earth at the time, though.

Some say the Age of Mankind is cyclical. Perhaps the Krell visited during one of those forgotten Ages of Man. Maybe even inadvertently hastened its end.

Some may find this an interesting, if long, read: https://grg.org/charter/Krell2.htm

I think the army of Id monsters is interesting but I don't know if it would need to since we're clearly capable of wiping ourselves out with our own monsters from the Id.
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"Have you never wondered what it would be like to walk between the ticks and tocks of Time?"

[Bud Brewster]

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Good lord, what a wealth of great ideas, gentlemen!

Moribus, I was dazzle from the get-go with your thread-starting concept about the Krell machine's survival instincts, I can't think of a single thing in the movie that conflicts with it!

In several posts on the Forbidden Planet thread I suggested that the Krell might have had colonies. I think I even suggested that the Krell machine on Altair 4 was capable of serving the needs of all those colonists, regardless of how distant they were from the home world.

Sir, you have christened this new forum with the champagne of ideas.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[Morbius]

Glad you like the idea. I can see a lot of back story as a team of Archeologists desperately search for Krell past information looking for a weakness to use against them. This in itself could be a chapter.

[Gord Green]

I absolutely love the "speech" Morbius made to Adams in the office room...



"Ethically, as well as technologically,
they were a million years ahead of humankind.
For, in unlocking the mysteries of nature,
they had conquered even their baser-selves.

And, when in the course of eons,
they had abolished sickness and insanity
and crime and all injustice,
they turned, still with high benevolence,
outward toward space.

Long before the dawn of man's history,
they had walked our Earth,
and brought back many biological specimens.

The heights they had reached!

But then--- seemingly on the threshold
of some supreme accomplishment
which was to have crowned their entire history--
this all-but-divine race perished,
in a single night.

In the two thousand centuries
since that unexplained catastrophe,
even their cloud-piercing towers
of glass and porcelain and adamantine steel
have crumbled back into the soil of Altair IV,

and nothing, absolutely nothing,
remains aboveground."

The benevolent and noble race of scholars and pacifists, who had evolved beyond war and violence, was no match for the madness from their own subconscious. All Krell had either killed one another within a single day and night or taken their own lives.

As the millennia progressed, the last remnant of what was known as the Krell civilization disappeared from the planet’s face, which would later be named Altair IV. The winds of time lay waste any buildings or structures that once proudly stood. But within the planet, the great self-servicing thought-machine continued to run. It patiently waited for someone to give the next mental command so it could continue its created purpose.

It explains the rationele for the movie and "sets up" a plot for the next.

The Krell DID walk the Earth in ages past (Although NOT to collect fauna that would cause native Altarian organisms to become extinct!) You could assume that the Krell did have colonies around the general vicinity of Altair (Cosmicly 16 something light years distance is not so much!)

If we were to also assume that the Great Krell Machine was connected to equiptment scattered throughout Krellian Space like a great cosmic internet then it would be very possible that the Morbius Id Manifestation infected every apparatus like a dangerous Trojan virus!

I wrote a story...a sequel to FP in which Adams leads a follow up mission to inspect the Altair system. The destruction of A-4 altered the gravitational balance in the system and what had been Altair5 is now Altair 4. The new crew has to undergo contact with strange new lifeforms (Including a manifestation of Morbius himself!).

In FP Adams was connected to the machine along with Dr. Ostrow .... to measure their IQ . But what if some of Morbius snuck into Adams mind like some kind of earworm???
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There comes a time, thief, when gold loses its lustre, and the gems cease to sparkle, and the throne room becomes a prison; and all that is left is a father's love for his child.

[Morbius]

[Bud Brewster]

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(To avoid confusion, I'm going to refer to you by your real name Tom, so that when I say "Morbius" we'll know who I'm talking about. )

In keeping with your initial concept, Tom, I love the idea of archeologists on alien planets who excavating the rare occasions which they find physical artifacts from the Krell civilization. This idea appeals to me more than than turning a Forbidden Planet sequel into a galactic war.

However, what about the idea that when the C-57=D returned to Earth, Robby's memory banks contained the solution to a problem which our scientists and engineers had been struggling with since before the C-57-D was built.

As a result, United Planets starships acquire the ability to travel more than 50 times faster than before, which means they could make the trip to Altair in one week instead of a year.

This will make it more convenient for scientific expeditions to explore the galaxy in search of the sites where Krell colonies existed, 200,000 years ago.

For the sake of consistency, I submit that anything the archeologists find would be in deep underground facilities, since Morbius stated that "nothing remained above ground" on the Altair 4.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[Morbius]

Robby witnessed his home planet blow up. If he is "just a machine" no problem, but for the possibility of a plot twist, one could be hesitant in placing full trust in him/her as there could be residual loyalties buried deep within his "circuits".

But I agree, digging up, in small increments, tidbits of the Krell species and their knowledge and any ambivalent possibilities (for their destruction) could make for a very interesting back story as competing assumptions on how to approach the problem could have dire consequences.

Reminds me of "Earth vs the Flying Saucers" when they try on the Helmet and learn how to down the saucers.

[Gord Green]

[Bud Brewster]

[Pow]

Could an earth ship encounter a living, breathing Krell in its organic form on a colony world?

This Krell, or Krells, made the choice not to join their race in attempting to achieve a total non-corporeal state of being. They also are aware of the profound tragedy that has annihilated most of their species.

The fantastic A.I. machinery of their colony world also sees the tremendous danger of attempting to transform Krell into a pure form of thought & energy.

The star ship crew & Krell now join forces to seek out planets that plan to undertake the original idea of the Krells to become entities without bodies which ended in utter disaster for the Krells.

Problem: Could the earth ship & remaining Krell be wrong to interfere in another civilizations attempt to leave their organic bodies and become energy? Could such a race successfully achieve what the Krell could not? That is, can they become energy without the evil and malicious aspects of their ID playing any role?

[Bud Brewster]

[Pow]

Yes. My theory is that the astonishing achievement that the Krell were planning was to be pure thought, pure energy without ever having to depend upon any instrumentality again. Just as the Organians were in ST: TOS episode "Errand of Mercy."

In the process, as we know, their primitive IDs were released and they massacred each other. However, not all Krell were believers that moving from their organic form to all energy was safe or wise. They did not participate in this Great Ascendency of their species. They've determined exactly what happened and are now sworn to prevent other civilizations from following the Krells catastrophic path to destruction.