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Bud Brewster · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:50 am Post subject:

Hey, how cool is that? And you can still buy these gorgeous things!

Now all I need is one more . . . and everything else in the house, and then I can furnish my place like the Morbius home!
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Bud Brewster · Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject:

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Bulldogtrekker posted a picture of his new Blu-ray player on Facebook today!

To which I replied:

Sony my ass! That's Krell technology if ever I saw it! Notice the triangular shapes prevalent in the Krell lab. Yep, that's a Krell Blu-ray player all right. Very Happy

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Pow · Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject:

Anyone know if anybody ever did a drawing of what the Krell might have looked like?

Bud Brewster · Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:34 pm Post subject:

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There doesn't seem to be an official concept among the production crew of Forbidden Planet as to what the Krell looked like, but supposedly there were theories about how the Krell looked "frog-like" with a tail that slide up that smooth ramp in the middle of the steps right outside the Krell lab.

That idea doesn't really work, however, because the "ramp" has a sharp upper edge —

— and the two sets of steps on the inside of the lab have no ramp at all!

So much for the frog theory . . . Confused

If you want a suggestion for a body shape that's extremely alien and seems to fit the diamond-shaped doorways, try this one.

And if this was a Krell, then the Krell machine might have chosen this nightmare version as the "Id Monster" in response to Morbius' subconscious resentment of the Earthmen's interference with his well-order and solitary life.

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Krel · Guest

The manifestation of the Id had the basic form of the Krell, wide body, tail, with Morbius's face. The chairs in the lab have a space for the tail, they are also wide. More like a human bench seat. The steps in the lab could be passed off as not having enough steps to bother with. The steps outside of the lab are pretty steep.

The Krell might also have had four arms. Remember Morbius's comment about sometimes wishing he had more than two hands?

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Bud Brewster · Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:45 pm Post subject:

Krel · Guest

I respectfully disagree. Back in the early 70's I found a book, Cinema of the Fantastic. It reviews about 5 movies, and FP was the last one. On one page there is a face-on view animation cell of the Id. On the next page is a photo of Morbius in the lab, in emotional pain, the guilty scene. Seeing those two photos next to each other it is clear that Joshua Meador used Walter Pidgeon's face as the model. It is not an exact copy, it is very subtle. Remember the Id is an angry beast, so the face is distorted. Also if you look closely, the Id has a dangling goatee.

I have to admit, that if I hadn't seen those two photos together, I wouldn't have made the connection. It speaks to the talent of Joshua Meador to pull off something so understated.

David.

Bud Brewster · Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject:

orzel-w · Galactic Ambassador Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 1865

It's sort of prescient of John Carpenter's The Thing.
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Bud Brewster · Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject:

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I just noticed something odd about the funeral scene when Chief Quinn is buried. Look closely at the right stairway in the night scene that appeared earlier in the movie.

And now look at the version I did to fix some problems with the way that stairway was painted, after Wayne pointed out that the artist who did the right side (the matted part of the frame) didn't do such a hot job.

The main difference is in the way it's lighted, but in both the original and my version, more of the underside of the stairway is showing on the right one than the left one, because of the way the ship is positioned.

Notice the position of the middle stairway. It indicates the ship is turned a few degrees counterclockwise from the way it would look if the middle stairway was pointed straight at the viewer.

Because of this, the left and right stairways do not look exactly the same -- the left one is slightly closer to the viewer, and the right one is slightly further away. That's why the right stairway shows more of the underside than the left stairway does.

But here's what I noticed today.

In the funeral scene shown below, the middle stairway is significantly further to the right than it is in the night scene -- which means the ship is turned a few more degrees counterclockwise, relative to the viewer, than it is in the night scene.

And yet the right and left stairways in the funeral scene look identical, rather than the right stairway showing even more of the underside than it does in the night scene!

The correct position of the right stairway when the ship is viewed from this angle would be so far towards the back that the stairway would almost be out of sight!

Wayne, can you do a CAD rendering that would confirm this? I'd love to see it. Very Happy

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orzel-w · Galactic Ambassador Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 1865

Bud Brewster · Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject:

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UPDATE 7/12/17: Because of Photobucket's mistreatment of Wayne's account, I had to replace Wayne's jpegs with some slightly altered versions I saved to my computer when he made his post above. I changed some of the color-coded lines Wayne used, making them all white.

That's why some of the images below from my original reply are repeats of the ones I used above.
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Ah-HA!

I KNEW it!

So, the stairway is in the wrong place, at the wrong angle, and has the wrong shape (not wide enough along the left half for a view of the stairway's underside from this angle.)

Orzel-w, you're a genius, a wizard, and an artist. Great job.

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This is a bit crude, but I painted out the ramp in the picture on the left and then pasted in orzel-w's ramp. You'll have to zoom in a bit to see it well.

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Bud Brewster · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:53 am Post subject:

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Here's a copy of a post on CHFB by starhawk60.movieserialm.
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The Witch's Dungeon Courtlandt Hull with famed sculptor and owner of the newly refurbished Robby The Robot, Bill Malone.
This is from Mr. Hull's Facebook page:

BILL MALONE and I with the original "Robby The Robot" that Bill restored, which he saved from a movie museum in CA. When it closed, Robby was in rough shape. Am...azing to see in person - so noisy when everything is working inside the head, they had to overdub any dialogue when Robby was working. The same problem with the "Fly" computer screen - not quite as noisy, but am sure they probably had to dub dialogue if too close to it. Robby's interior is a bit dangerous to be inside, due to the intricate wiring, some interior was made of plywood. I promised I would post a photo of this original Robby - just took a while to find it. Bill Diamond and I filmed an interview with Bill Malone which will appear in a future documentary on sc-fi from "The Witch's Dungeon".
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orzel-w · Galactic Ambassador Joined: 19 Sep 2014 Posts: 1865

Kudos to Malone.
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Robert (Butch) Day · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:48 pm Post subject:

At one time it was planned that Forbidden Planet would be 3D (check the opening title, which was to have 'jumped-out' at you) but that was abandoned early in the pre-production schedule.

Could it have looked something like this?

Robby in the Entrerprise's transporter room:

Coffee, Miss Alta?

Sister ships:

The latest Mondo poster:

Now legal in most of the US; ALWAYS legal on Altair IV!

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