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Bud Brewster
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| Eadie wrote: | Ever wonder what Altair IV might have looked like if it was colonized using designs from the 1950s? Hank West did!
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I noticed that the buildings on the left bear a strong resemblance to Jane Jetson's shopping center in the opening credits of the series, so I had a funny idea.
Mentally substitute the lyrics I provided below while watching the theme to The Jetsons in the video. You'll love it! 
________________ The Jetsons (Theme Song)
Meet Ed Morbius!
His robot, Robby!
Daughter, Alta!
Julie, his (late) wife!
— and on into the jazzy finale of the theme!
Funny, eh?
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Gord Green
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Very funny Bud!
The amazing thing is that even after 50 years this film is still relevant and the source of so much thought and conversation!
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Bud Brewster
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Okay, so here's a REAL "Blast from the Past" with a jazzy CGI and stereophonic update! The opening credits for Jetson: The Movie.
This was done to perfection, a worthy tribute to the series, with spectacular enhancements of what we all remember and love. 
_________________ Jetsons: The Movie Intro
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Maurice
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:14 am Post subject: 1954-09-03 Script CLEAN |
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I was just emailed a very nice clean scan of the FP script also dates 1954-09-03. Like the previous scan I got I have uploaded this script to the Internet Archive here (link).
I haven't compared this to the previous one to determine if the contents are exactly the same. Not sure if Bud has shared this one before.
It apparently came from the files section of this facebook group.
Don't know if anyone shared this 2013 BBC piece before (probably) but it's possible it was lost with the board's various server tribulations. Between the Ears—Sound of Cinema: Return of the Monster from the Id (link)
| Quote: | Released On: 21 Sep 2013 Available for over a year
In 1956 Louis and Bebe Barron birthed the world's first electronic film score with their unearthly soundtrack to M.G.M.'s Forbidden Planet. Ken Hollings considers their act of creation and wonders if the Monster from the Id can ever be re-awakened?
Forbidden Planet was M.G.M.'s lavish leap into science fiction. Fusing Shakespeare's Tempest, pop Freud and pulp SF. Fleetingly Hollywood and the electronic avant-garde embraced to make unworldly music inspired by the new science of cybernetics. The Barrons were close associates of John Cage and at the cutting edge of new technology and music. Their "electronic tonalities", as credited on screen in deference to an anxious musicians union, were groundbreaking for both experimental music film scoring.
In the cramped space of their Greenwich village apartment the Barron's poured current through home made circuits made up of valves, oscillators and wires. Music, sound effects and character were all arrived at by wiring, art and sweat. The roaring Monster from the Id, the bubbling sounds of Planet Altair IV and the vast caverns of glowing, ancient Krell technology. Even the Krell music, anthem to a long dead race of technologically advanced beings.
Audiences and filmmakers were startled by this great musical experiment. It remains one of the most perfect fusions of film and music, defining the way we thought the future would sound. In rare recordings Bebe and Louis Barron relate their adventures in sound. Meanwhile, somewhere near Stoke, Ken Hollings challenges music boffin Phil Taylor to a hardwired search for the secrets of Krell music and the electronic heartbeat of the Monster from the Id. |
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Bud Brewster
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Maurice, this is wonderful! The new scan is far better than the one I used for the script thread.
It will take me about a week to download each page, enhance it just a bit to make the text even sharper, and replace all the old jpgs on the script thread.
Just to demonstrate the great improvement you made possible, here's the current first page I posted (with the link to see the large version) as it looks even after I worked hard to enhance it —
— and here's the first page of the new one you provided, also with the embedded link for the large version.
Incredible!
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Bud Brewster
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| Maurice wrote: | As to Altair IV, in the finished film we don't see the full globe, but the Lost Footage section of the DVD shows more of it. This footage probably wasn't color timed, but that featureless pale area sure looks like a body of water, especially in the 2nd pic.
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Well, sir . . . you got me. 
Allowing for the obvious fact that the image is from an aging 35mm print with fading colors, I'm forced to admit that those darker, uniformly-colored areas in the lower quarter of the globe do indeed appear to be large bodies of water.
Therefore, Altair 4 is not a "desert planet".
However, I don't think anyone would deny that actual high-orbit photos of an Earth-like world with an atmosphere we could breath and large areas with liquid water, along with chlorophyll-rich plant life (thus explaining the planet's oxygen content) would just naturally look mostly like this.
After all, an ocean viewed from space through air like ours would just naturally look the way our own oceans do.
But if an alien ocean looked drastically different from ours when seen from space, there must be some fundamental differences in the planet's atmosphere and/or its oceans . . . which means it isn't quite as "Earth-like" as we thought.
The fact that Altair 4 seems so Earth-like that all the humans in the movie are quite comfortable seems to conflict with the way it appeared from space.
And also the way the sky appears from ground level.
I mean, come on, folks! A green sky that shades up to black? 
Don't get me wrong, folks, I wouldn't change a thing about this wonderful movie. But it seems obvious that the producers created an "alien world" with Earth-like conditions . . . without making the conditions alien enough to explain its alien appearance!
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The new, improved copy of the Forbidden Planet script is finally complete, and the portions I read while getting the pages ready to post really surprised me.
The movie is vastly different from the script, both in the way the scenes are described and the dialog that was originally written. Obviously this version of the screenplay is NOT a "shooting script". Extensive revisions were obviously made which greatly improved the story.
I'm really glad that Forbidden Planet was not made the way the script describes it. There are numerous scenes which, frankly, are ridiculous . . . and some are even downright embarrassing!
My respect for screenwriter Cyril Hume is a bit shaken by this. 
Now I'm wondering who came in and drastically revised his screenplay so that we got the incredible movie which was actually produced! Or did Cyril get some input from the producers who told him what they didn't like about this early draft and what needed to be removed!
Butch claimed he had a copy of any "earlier version" than the one on archive.org. Folks, this version is obviously a very early draft, one which was written long before it was extensively revised and turned into the polished masterpiece the movie is based on.
If Forbidden Planet had been produced using the version I've posted, the result would have been somewhere between This Island Earth and Queen of Outer Space! 
If you think I'm exaggerating, read it yourself.
Complete Forbidden Planet script from 8/26/1954
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Didn't we have this discussion before, maybe on the old board? I seem to remember it. Anyway, Jerry's comment about the coordinates being "out in the desert", would seem to indicate that the Altair IV is not all desert.
I saw the trailer for FP yesterday, and I just noticed something. The ID has enough weight to deform the metal steps, but the steps make no sound while doing so. Anyone who has been around metal being bent, or deformed, knows that the metal makes a noise. There was also no mention of the steps having been deformed. You would think that would have been worthy of some mention. And if there is a ladder up to the heavy-duty hatch, what would the ID's weight have done to the ladder rungs. I would have been very worried about the mass of such a creature that could do such damage just walking around.
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Bud Brewster
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My quote by Maurice is from an early page of this thread. So yes, the discussion is quite old. I just wanted to quote something by our Feature Member to highlight his contributions. 
| Krel wrote: | | I saw the trailer for FP yesterday, and I just noticed something. The ID has enough weight to deform the metal steps, but the steps make no sound while doing so. |
The bending steps are clearly an error on the part of the filmmakers for exactly the reasons you pointed out, David.
The unfortunate decision to suggest the ID was that heavy is made even worse if you play close attention to the last moment of the scene when the Id monsters reaches the top of the stairs.
At the very last moment, the steps begin to come back UP. I noticed it years ago when I got my first VHS tape of the movie.
Naturally the flexible steps are being pulled down by a stagehand. And what we're seeing at the top of the stairs is just a shot that should have been edited a moment before the flexible steps were allowed to come back up a short distance when the stagehand beneath it let go of the handle (or whatever) he was using to create the fake "bending".
I suppose we could assume the steps were designed to "give" a little under the weight of the men, just to cushion the impact and make walking on them more comfortable.
Does that work?
Naw . . . that's silly.
Also, the fact that the steps are shown in later shots and they aren't bent makes the mistake even worse. The scene below obviously tales place after the Id monster murders Quinn, and the steps are just fine.
Here's the full-sized ship after the battle. No bent steps.
Watch this clip from Forbidden Planet and see the brief shot of the amazing unbending steps at the 3:15 mark. They're the last two steps that bend down at the top of the stairway. You only catch a glimpse of the lower of the two steps before the camera pans up higher, and the scene cuts just as the top step begins to rise.
FORBIDDEN PLANET ID MONSTER SNEAKS ABOARD
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By they way, just to be fair, the Id monster used the small hatch to enter the ship the first time he snuck in, and he didn't leave any footprints. So, apparently it was much smaller and lighter on that occasion.
But I'm sure you're right about there being a ladder beneath that hatch.
However, that raises this interesting question: how could the Id monster, with two legs that have claws for feet, and with no arms at all . . . climb up a ladder?
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I have always assumed that the "ID" creature was of whatever size and mass was required to do what it was about to do.
Obviously to be able to fit in that hatch and infiltrate the ship it was smaller and less massive than the creature shown attacking the compound which required a much more massive and powerful realized creature.
The size and mass was therefore dependant on the amount of energy taken from the Krell furnace and that was flexible in proportion to what was required.
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I've revised the introduction to the Forbidden Planet script thread to reflect the fact that Maurice's new, sharper copy has replaced the old one.
I also discovered something very interesting about how long Cyril Hume took to type up the 111-page script! Read the new intro and you'll find out what I learned.
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| Bud Brewster wrote: | | My quote by Maurice is from an early page of this thread. So yes, the discussion is quite old. I just wanted to quote something by our Feature Member to highlight his contributions. |
Well, that's a relief. It's good to know that my creeping senility hasn't gotten that bad...Yet.
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Did you watch the YouTube video and see the brief moments in which the flexible steps on the stairway actually "unbend" during that scene?
I've always been baffled by the way we're supposed to see the steps bending . . . and then see later on that they are NOT bent . . . and then, with repeated viewings of the movie, notice that they UNbend in the finale moments of that shot!
All this seems to represent mistakes in the concept (the monster is so heavy it bends the metal steps), and a mistake in the continuity (later scenes show that the steps were NOT bent), and a mistake in editing (the steps bend down . . . but then we see them come back UP!)
Read the first part of page 76 of the script and you'll see that Cyril Hume describes the scene very differently than it was shot in the movie.
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I was impressed by this professionally done and highly entertaining eight-minute documentary about Forbidden Planet.
Enjoy! _
____ Film Histories Episode 18 - Forbidden Planet
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Maurice
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It was okay but it feels like he's done a very cursory dive. And, c'mon. his claim about "the first time a Hollywood film" had shown a miniskirt is utter rubbish. There are women in miniskirts in Flight to Mars (1951) and the old Space Patrol series (1950–54) and the 1954 made-for-TV Flash Gordon show. And I think Dale Arden even sports one way back in Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe (1940).
Do your homework, people! 
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